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Re: Campaign Management Plotting

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:56 pm
by Victin
META - Could this marketing campaign be for getting more people for the ARG?
NON-META - Why don't we just put the advertisement on TVTropes?

Re: Campaign Management Plotting

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:57 pm
by The Finch
Victin wrote:META - Could this marketing campaign be for getting more people for the ARG?
Also, why don't we just put the advertisement on TVTropes?


In-Game: What? Of course not!

Meta: Probably.

Re: Campaign Management Plotting

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:59 pm
by Pixelmage
Dryunya wrote:
WackyMeetsPractical wrote:On the one hand, we want more people. On the other hand, we don't want stupid people.

The answer is simple. Does anybody know a site with user-generated content frequented by smart people? :D


This one?
But honestly, no other site meeting these criteria comes to mind... I'll look into it.

Re: Campaign Management Plotting

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:01 pm
by Victin
Pixelmage wrote:
Dryunya wrote:
WackyMeetsPractical wrote:On the one hand, we want more people. On the other hand, we don't want stupid people.

The answer is simple. Does anybody know a site with user-generated content frequented by smart people? :D


This one?
But honestly, no other site meeting these criteria comes to mind... I'll look into it.

"What site could this be?"
*clicks the link*
"..."
*beat*
:lol:

Re: Campaign Management Plotting

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:04 pm
by Scarab
Dryunya wrote:
WackyMeetsPractical wrote:On the one hand, we want more people. On the other hand, we don't want stupid people.

The answer is simple. Does anybody know a site with user-generated content frequented by smart people? :D


Hmmm we may possibly know a site :P (hey who do you think I MEANT when I told the witch I had 'contacts' with a large scale website ;))

Victin wrote:META - Could this marketing campaign be for getting more people for the ARG?
NON-META - Why don't we just put the advertisement on TVTropes?


In answer to the first question - yes that's very much the possibility.
In answer to the second question - that's also possible, let's ask Edward the Awesome about it.

Am I a-okay to start a topic asking for possible designers for the campaign slogans, and emailing the witch regarding our initial ideas? The other campaign team members can look over it and we can post it here for all of you to see before sending it to her.

Re: Campaign Management Plotting

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:23 pm
by RotavatoR
She could also use some bodyguards if all it takes to assassinate her is a water gun.

Re: Campaign Management Plotting

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:26 pm
by Scarab
RotavatoR wrote:She could also use some bodyguards if all it takes to assassinate her is a water gun.


:lol: Oh lord, I never even thought of that... Yeah we should probably consider it. Later though, no sense making her too paranoid early on.

Re: Campaign Management Plotting

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:35 pm
by Dryunya
RotavatoR wrote:She could also use some bodyguards if all it takes to assassinate her is a water gun.

https://www.google.ru/search?q=waterproof+long+coat

Re: Campaign Management Plotting

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:36 pm
by Scarab
Dryunya wrote:
RotavatoR wrote:She could also use some bodyguards if all it takes to assassinate her is a water gun.

https://www.google.ru/search?q=waterproof+long+coat


One day in and it's already official - this campaign would flounder without you :lol:

Re: Campaign Management Plotting

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:52 pm
by Dryunya
Thanks. :D :oops:
Some more thoughts:

If we are to make the witch appear on actual news, we may enforce a more diabolic plan: make the witch viral in other communities, without any references to the ARG. I've tried to google "wicked witch for president" - if her blog is there, it is somewhere very-very deep. This means we may plant the idea to promote her on some other sites, and, if the inception (yes, it's a reference :) ) is successful, we'll get the job done while staying in the shadows.

It's very hard to pull off, though. VERY hard.
I think we need Sicon here. :gurt:
And with that, I'm leaving you for today.

Re: Campaign Management Plotting

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:49 pm
by RotavatoR
Scarab wrote:
Dryunya wrote:
RotavatoR wrote:She could also use some bodyguards if all it takes to assassinate her is a water gun.

https://www.google.ru/search?q=waterproof+long+coat


One day in and it's already official - this campaign would flounder without you :lol:


HEY! :o
I helped... ish :mrgreen:

Dryunya wrote:Thanks. :D :oops:
Some more thoughts:

If we are to make the witch appear on actual news, we may enforce a more diabolic plan: make the witch viral in other communities, without any references to the ARG. I've tried to google "wicked witch for president" - if her blog is there, it is somewhere very-very deep. This means we may plant the idea to promote her on some other sites, and, if the inception (yes, it's a reference :) ) is successful, we'll get the job done while staying in the shadows.

It's very hard to pull off, though. VERY hard.
I think we need Sicon here. :gurt:
And with that, I'm leaving you for today.


This sounds fascinating. Such large scale, dear god, how?

I'll start working on slogans!
PITCH THE WITCH!
VOTE FOR THE GREEN MEAN MAGIC MACHINE!
WE NEED YOU AS A FLYING MONKEY!

Re: Campaign Management Plotting

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:08 pm
by Sicon112
Guys. Guys. Relax. You are looking at this in totally the wrong way. One would almost think you are really TRYING to be the Witch's campaign manager.

Look, the election is on the first Tuesday in November. Less than a month away. There is literally NO CHANCE IN HELL that the Witch is going to get ANY recognition starting this late. You guys are acting as though you are actually trying to campaign for her. Why? She has no chance, and we don't even want her to be successful! Did you really all forget what we are here for? We just need to get as much info out of her as possible before election day, the point which she fails and inevitably flips. Then we just have to get her trapped when she tries to get retribution. Probably by getting Mr. A involved, but I'll think on that later.

Therefor, the question is not what your country can- oh wait, wrong quote... Take two! 8-)

Therefore, the question is not, "How do I run a campaign for the Wicked Witch of the West?" the question is, "How do I make the Wicked Witch of the West, who has about 2-3 weeks worth of knowledge of the modern world, THINK I'm running a campaign for her, while really I'm lying out my ass and milking her for information?"

And, to be honest, I think the second question is easier to answer, which either says a lot about me as a person, or the weirdness of this whole situation. Take your pick.

Re: Campaign Management Plotting

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:49 pm
by Pixelmage
Sicon112 wrote:Guys. Guys. Relax. You are looking at this in totally the wrong way. One would almost think you are really TRYING to be the Witch's campaign manager.

Look, the election is on the first Tuesday in November. Less than a month away. There is literally NO CHANCE IN HELL that the Witch is going to get ANY recognition starting this late. You guys are acting as though you are actually trying to campaign for her. Why? She has no chance, and we don't even want her to be successful! Did you really all forget what we are here for? We just need to get as much info out of her as possible before election day, the point which she fails and inevitably flips. Then we just have to get her trapped when she tries to get retribution. Probably by getting Mr. A involved, but I'll think on that later.

Therefor, the question is not what your country can- oh wait, wrong quote... Take two! 8-)

Therefore, the question is not, "How do I run a campaign for the Wicked Witch of the West?" the question is, "How do I make the Wicked Witch of the West, who has about 2-3 weeks worth of knowledge of the modern world, THINK I'm running a campaign for her, while really I'm lying out my ass and milking her for information?"

And, to be honest, I think the second question is easier to answer, which either says a lot about me as a person, or the weirdness of this whole situation. Take your pick.


I agree. But we could use the opportunity to draw more working force to our side by running the doomed to fail campaign. If we go plan b, then yes it is a much easier problem to solve. You're not alone in this line of thought.

Re: Campaign Management Plotting

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:55 pm
by Victin
Sicon112 wrote:Guys. Guys. Relax. You are looking at this in totally the wrong way. One would almost think you are really TRYING to be the Witch's campaign manager.

Look, the election is on the first Tuesday in November. Less than a month away. There is literally NO CHANCE IN HELL that the Witch is going to get ANY recognition starting this late. You guys are acting as though you are actually trying to campaign for her. Why? She has no chance, and we don't even want her to be successful! Did you really all forget what we are here for? We just need to get as much info out of her as possible before election day, the point which she fails and inevitably flips. Then we just have to get her trapped when she tries to get retribution. Probably by getting Mr. A involved, but I'll think on that later.

Therefor, the question is not what your country can- oh wait, wrong quote... Take two! 8-)

Therefore, the question is not, "How do I run a campaign for the Wicked Witch of the West?" the question is, "How do I make the Wicked Witch of the West, who has about 2-3 weeks worth of knowledge of the modern world, THINK I'm running a campaign for her, while really I'm lying out my ass and milking her for information?"

And, to be honest, I think the second question is easier to answer, which either says a lot about me as a person, or the weirdness of this whole situation. Take your pick.

But I believe we are not only attracting voters, but also new players. That's why the focus in the campaign.

Re: Campaign Management Plotting

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:55 pm
by WackyMeetsPractical
The witch updated.

What does she need our help for again?

Re: Campaign Management Plotting

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:57 pm
by Victin
WackyMeetsPractical wrote:The witch updated.

What does she need our help for again?

She is good. I will pretend I'm a fanboy that you managed to convince. Is that ok?

Re: Campaign Management Plotting

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:01 pm
by Scarab
Sicon112 wrote:Therefore, the question is not, "How do I run a campaign for the Wicked Witch of the West?" the question is, "How do I make the Wicked Witch of the West, who has about 2-3 weeks worth of knowledge of the modern world, THINK I'm running a campaign for her, while really I'm lying out my ass and milking her for information?"


I dunno about my fellow campaigners but I'm method acting the hell out of this. And it's kind of fun to think of all these different methods one would run a campaign for the WWotW...

Victin wrote:But I believe we are not only attracting voters, but also new players. That's why the focus in the campaign.


Yes, also that's a good point. I figure we're also trying to draw more players in, so a certain degree of forwardness is required anyway.

Back to reality (ha), of course the second question is the REAL intention -getting as much information out of her as we can as quickly as is possible. I just think the better a show we put on, the more convincing we are. She's not exactly thinking in shades of grey, but she's not stupid, so going a bit too far is better than not going far enough. I was GOING to mock it a bit more then start asking how others thought we could get more information out of her, but... I think we might already have her trust judging from the recent email I got.

The real question is, HOW do we get information out of her, while concievably passing off our questions as part of an advertisment campaign? And how long can we keep it up before she gets suspicious? I think we should get a bit of "campaigning" done before we start asking those questions (for one thing it's advertisment for us).

WackyMeetsPractical wrote:The witch updated.
What does she need our help for again?


...I was about to upload that campaign poster here but I see she's beaten us to it. :lol: Am I the only one who finds that poster hilarious?

Good question though, I mean heck, what do we do NOW? Start sending those flyers out? Get the tv tropes page set up? Need to have soemthing to show her that WE'RE doing, after all...

Re: Campaign Management Plotting

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:08 pm
by Sicon112
Scarab wrote:I think we might already have her trust judging from the recent email I got.


What e-mail? I suggested that we post all e-mails between the Witch and her campaign staff, so do you mind doing that? We could create a thread for that that works like the Gulliver Transcript thread, that way we could find the e-mails easily.

Re: Campaign Management Plotting

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:11 pm
by Scarab
No problem, sorry I forgot about that, I'll start it up. Two of us have already gotten the emails uploaded as documents, so we can just link to them.

Hows about another thread for discussions as to what the heck we do with that poster?

Re: Campaign Management Plotting

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:43 am
by Dryunya
Sicon112 wrote:Guys. Guys. Relax. You are looking at this in totally the wrong way. One would almost think you are really TRYING to be the Witch's campaign manager.

You know what's my problem? I actually do. :oops: Guess I just like being a henchman, Because I'm Good At It. :?

Scarab wrote:The real question is, HOW do we get information out of her, while concievably passing off our questions as part of an advertisment campaign? And how long can we keep it up before she gets suspicious? I think we should get a bit of "campaigning" done before we start asking those questions (for one thing it's advertisment for us).

One word: interview. As long as it's built properly, we can milk her 'till she runs out of milk.

And I also like the slogan that was floating here somewhere: "As opposed to the other candidates, she is not subtle about her evil." :D

Re: Campaign Management Plotting

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:20 am
by Sicon112
Dryunya wrote:And I also like the slogan that was floating here somewhere: "As opposed to the other candidates, she is not subtle about her evil." :D


Well, as good a set of observations as that is, they have now become obsolete because she knows what we are doing. For now, we should just run the campaign and use it to create more players.

Re: Campaign Management Plotting

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:27 am
by Dryunya
I don't see how the slogan may become obsolete just because she's aware of it. And it's definitely shouldn't be "End democracy", like at her poster. The "not subtle" slogan may be taken humorously, and thus pique some interest, and the "end democracy" one will probably make me look like a radical nutjob when I'll be hanging them around.
I may probably be misunderstood even without any slogans - I can't say our police is adequate lately... But I didn't say that, m'kay? -_-"

Re: Campaign Management Plotting

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:15 pm
by Scarab
Dryunya wrote:I don't see how the slogan may become obsolete just because she's aware of it. And it's definitely shouldn't be "End democracy", like at her poster. The "not subtle" slogan may be taken humorously, and thus pique some interest, and the "end democracy" one will probably make me look like a radical nutjob when I'll be hanging them around.
I may probably be misunderstood even without any slogans - I can't say our police is adequate lately... But I didn't say that, m'kay? -_-"


Yes this is a good point, I am slightly more nervous about putting up posters, however jokingly, saying 'end democracy' than I was about 'do not lance the power station' because you know some crackpots are going to get up in arms about it. I say we suggest something else.

Just so long as the witch in the picture doesn't look like any other actual political candidates who would thus get up in arms about it, we should be okay, otherwise.

I think we still need something a bit shorter and punchier though: I like the tone of the "not subtle" idea but can we condense it into fewer words?

Re: Campaign Management Plotting

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:25 pm
by Sicon112
Dryunya wrote:I don't see how the slogan may become obsolete just because she's aware of it. And it's definitely shouldn't be "End democracy", like at her poster. The "not subtle" slogan may be taken humorously, and thus pique some interest, and the "end democracy" one will probably make me look like a radical nutjob when I'll be hanging them around.
I may probably be misunderstood even without any slogans - I can't say our police is adequate lately... But I didn't say that, m'kay? -_-"


Actually, I meant to get the line above that into the quote, not that line. I could have sworn I did, too! I saw something like this happen to Xana just a bit ago, where he typed a message, posted it, and then there was no text there. WTF is going on around here anyhow?

Re: Campaign Management Plotting

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:39 pm
by Scarab
Sicon112 wrote:
Dryunya wrote:I don't see how the slogan may become obsolete just because she's aware of it. And it's definitely shouldn't be "End democracy", like at her poster. The "not subtle" slogan may be taken humorously, and thus pique some interest, and the "end democracy" one will probably make me look like a radical nutjob when I'll be hanging them around.
I may probably be misunderstood even without any slogans - I can't say our police is adequate lately... But I didn't say that, m'kay? -_-"


Actually, I meant to get the line above that into the quote, not that line. I could have sworn I did, too! I saw something like this happen to Xana just a bit ago, where he typed a message, posted it, and then there was no text there. WTF is going on around here anyhow?


Try not to think about it too much, or we'll start getting paranoid again :/

If anybody has any good ideas for short, catchy campaign slogans that don't immediately turn away voters, we're all ears.