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Re: Main discussion thread

Postby Scarab on Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:48 pm

At the moment I'm of the opinion that we don't have enough evidence either way, that's part of what makes the problem so frustrating. Sending them back is the best possible solution on the cards right now whether we're comfortable with it or not but that doesn't mean we shouldn't consider alternatives because, let's face it, we don't want to be responsible for their pain, but we also don't want reality as we know it to collapse. There may be no real heroes or villains in this, when you get down to it. Just a lot of people trying to do what's best for them or their world or whoever is the most important from their perspective at this particular moment. Still, we're a team. Disagreements are going to happen. We just have to decide what the ebst thing to do in this particular situation is and... go from there.

Useless thought train end. Hopefully more useful thought train beginning: Anyway to get relationship Counselling for the lovebirds of Verona without jeopardising things further?
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Re: Main discussion thread

Postby Zup on Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:08 pm

Well, we could recreate the circumstances from back home (IE, Verona). One group of us side with Juliet against Romeo and vice versa. Or has this already been suggested?
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Re: Main discussion thread

Postby Victin on Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:10 pm

Zup wrote:Well, we could recreate the circumstances from back home (IE, Verona). One group of us side with Juliet against Romeo and vice versa. Or has this already been suggested?

I don't think so, but good plan. But how can we do that?
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Re: Main discussion thread

Postby Pixelmage on Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:14 pm

Victin wrote:
Zup wrote:Well, we could recreate the circumstances from back home (IE, Verona). One group of us side with Juliet against Romeo and vice versa. Or has this already been suggested?

I don't think so, but good plan. But how can we do that?


I did sugest that.
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Re: Main discussion thread

Postby IslaKariese on Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:15 pm

Pixelmage wrote:I did sugest that.
Wacky answered: "High risk gambit. Aganist it."
Sicon is already on his Xanatos filled ways.

But it's not so much as playing the families as it is handling them, manipulating them... Aaand I'm starting to talk like Sicon.

Yeah, you need to stop hanging out with him so much.
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Re: Main discussion thread

Postby Zup on Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:16 pm

I'm not sure, just maybe caution Juliet about Romeo on her blog, and tell Romeo that any girl is better than Juliet, etc. Blatant, semi obvious stuff to us, but it will raise their ire. Hopefully. Or backfire completely. :oops:
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Re: Main discussion thread

Postby Sicon112 on Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:17 pm

IslaKariese wrote:
Pixelmage wrote:I did sugest that.
Wacky answered: "High risk gambit. Aganist it."
Sicon is already on his Xanatos filled ways.

But it's not so much as playing the families as it is handling them, manipulating them... Aaand I'm starting to talk like Sicon.

Yeah, you need to stop hanging out with him so much.


...if I were to say that everything is proceeding just as planned, would you believe me? No? Oh well. XD
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Re: Main discussion thread

Postby Pixelmage on Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:21 pm

Sicon112 wrote:...if I were to say that everything is proceeding just as planned, would you believe me? No? Oh well. XD


Oh... It is proceeding just as planned. :D I'm too lazy to play the speed chess. But I can follow it. :geek:
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Re: Main discussion thread

Postby Krika on Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:23 pm

On the other hand, we could use our knowledge of tropes to arrange a classic romantic story where-in they get back together. They are characters in stories after all, and they presumably follow their story tropes to a degree (although Romeo is probably much less susceptible to these than Juliet at this point, due to our worlds contamination).
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Re: Main discussion thread

Postby Sicon112 on Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:25 pm

Krika wrote:On the other hand, we could use our knowledge of tropes to arrange a classic romantic story where-in they get back together. They are characters in stories after all, and they presumably follow their story tropes to a degree (although Romeo is probably much less susceptible to these than Juliet at this point, due to our worlds contamination).


Probably the most workable plan we have had yet.
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Re: Main discussion thread

Postby Krika on Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:00 pm

Unfortunately, it may just have to include the aforementioned romantic dance.

But really, we're the masters of tropes. We know how stories work inside and out. We know every plot twist, every reveal, every possible element that could go into any possible story. We are the authors of their reality. They are characters, and their lives, their stories are built around the very tropes that we have mastered. If we try hard enough, we can bend their reality, and their characters to the plots we contrive.

Of course, this all completely ignores the fact that they're being "corrupted" in a sense by our world, and are probably becoming less attached to their stories, and thus attempts to bring it back on track (as exemplified by Romeo more than anyone else I think).

And dear lord, I just went full Time Lord Victorious there for a moment. Damn.
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Re: Main discussion thread

Postby IslaKariese on Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:03 pm

Krika wrote:Unfortunately, it may just have to include the aforementioned romantic dance.

But really, we're the masters of tropes. We know how stories work inside and out. We know every plot twist, every reveal, every possible element that could go into any possible story. We are the authors of their reality. They are characters, and their lives, their stories are built around the very tropes that we have mastered. If we try hard enough, we can bend their reality, and their characters to the plots we contrive.

Of course, this all completely ignores the fact that they're being "corrupted" in a sense by our world, and are probably becoming less attached to their stories, and thus attempts to bring it back on track (as exemplified by Romeo more than anyone else I think).

And dear lord, I just went full Time Lord Victorious their for a moment. Damn.

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Re: Main discussion thread

Postby Sicon112 on Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:04 pm

IslaKariese wrote:
Krika wrote:Unfortunately, it may just have to include the aforementioned romantic dance.

But really, we're the masters of tropes. We know how stories work inside and out. We know every plot twist, every reveal, every possible element that could go into any possible story. We are the authors of their reality. They are characters, and their lives, their stories are built around the very tropes that we have mastered. If we try hard enough, we can bend their reality, and their characters to the plots we contrive.

Of course, this all completely ignores the fact that they're being "corrupted" in a sense by our world, and are probably becoming less attached to their stories, and thus attempts to bring it back on track (as exemplified by Romeo more than anyone else I think).

And dear lord, I just went full Time Lord Victorious their for a moment. Damn.

And you are now officially recruited into the MetaGuards! You haven't lived until you've channeled a fictional character at some point.


Out of curiosity, who do I channel?
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Re: Main discussion thread

Postby IslaKariese on Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:08 pm

Sicon112 wrote:Out of curiosity, who do I channel?

I can't think of any fictional Manipulative Bastards/Xanatos Gamblers at the moment, but I guarantee you've channeled at least five.
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Re: Main discussion thread

Postby Krika on Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:10 pm

MMM, I don't know so much about that character specifically, so much as the general "A God Am I" archetype. Only other time I've felt that was when I realized that as the player in Minecraft, I could literally reshape the world and all in it to my whim. Which then involved a ton of TNT.

At this point, I think the classic romantic plot would involve Romeo getting off-track because of another girl, Romantic False Lead, so at this point maybe Vanessa, before hooking back up with the original girl. Anything else to add onto that?
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Re: Main discussion thread

Postby Zup on Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:10 pm

Sicon112 wrote:
IslaKariese wrote:
Krika wrote:Unfortunately, it may just have to include the aforementioned romantic dance.

But really, we're the masters of tropes. We know how stories work inside and out. We know every plot twist, every reveal, every possible element that could go into any possible story. We are the authors of their reality. They are characters, and their lives, their stories are built around the very tropes that we have mastered. If we try hard enough, we can bend their reality, and their characters to the plots we contrive.

Of course, this all completely ignores the fact that they're being "corrupted" in a sense by our world, and are probably becoming less attached to their stories, and thus attempts to bring it back on track (as exemplified by Romeo more than anyone else I think).

And dear lord, I just went full Time Lord Victorious their for a moment. Damn.

And you are now officially recruited into the MetaGuards! You haven't lived until you've channeled a fictional character at some point.


Out of curiosity, who do I channel?


It's very Ffordian. Thursday Next, perhaps?
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Re: Main discussion thread

Postby Sicon112 on Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:11 pm

IslaKariese wrote:
Sicon112 wrote:Out of curiosity, who do I channel?

I can't think of any fictional Manipulative Bastards/Xanatos Gamblers at the moment, but I guarantee you've channeled at least five.


Were you looking for Light Yagami, Lelouch Vi Brittania, Keima Katsuragi, Souske Aizen, and Xellos?
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Re: Main discussion thread

Postby IslaKariese on Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:12 pm

Krika wrote:MMM, I don't know so much about that character specifically, so much as the general "A God Am I" archetype. Only other time I've felt that was when I realized that as the player in Minecraft, I could literally reshape the world and all in it to my whim. Which then involved a ton of TNT.

At this point, I think the classic romantic plot would involve Romeo getting off-track because of another girl, Romantic False Lead, so at this point maybe Vanessa, before hooking back up with the original girl. Anything else to add onto that?

Romeo and Juliet's romance in their original play had been pretty shallow to begin with, so we need a way for him to legitimately fall in love with Juliet.
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Re: Main discussion thread

Postby IslaKariese on Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:13 pm

Sicon112 wrote:
IslaKariese wrote:
Sicon112 wrote:Out of curiosity, who do I channel?

I can't think of any fictional Manipulative Bastards/Xanatos Gamblers at the moment, but I guarantee you've channeled at least five.

Were you looking for Light Yagami, Lelouch Vi Brittania, Keima Katsuragi, Souske Aizen, and Xellos?

If they fit the criteria. I know Light and Aizen do, but I don't know any of the others.
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Re: Main discussion thread

Postby Pixelmage on Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:14 pm

Sicon112 wrote:
IslaKariese wrote:
Sicon112 wrote:Out of curiosity, who do I channel?

I can't think of any fictional Manipulative Bastards/Xanatos Gamblers at the moment, but I guarantee you've channeled at least five.


Were you looking for Light Yagami, Lelouch Vi Brittania, Keima Katsuragi, Souske Aizen, and Xellos?


Mostly Katsuragi and Lelouch. Raito was only on the witch campaing, if I remmember correctly. (Yes. I prefer using the Japanese name (character transcription if you will) and order.)
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Re: Main discussion thread

Postby Sicon112 on Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:15 pm

IslaKariese wrote:
Sicon112 wrote:Were you looking for Light Yagami, Lelouch Vi Brittania, Keima Katsuragi, Souske Aizen, and Xellos?

If they fit the criteria. I know Light and Aizen do, but I don't know any of the others.


If you don't know Lelouch, you need to watch Code Geass NAOW. Anyway, I've gone so far as to reference/outright quote all of them at one time or another, so yea... remarkably accurate guess there Isla...
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Re: Main discussion thread

Postby IslaKariese on Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:17 pm

Sicon112 wrote:If you don't know Lelouch, you need to watch Code Geass NAOW. Anyway, I've gone so far as to reference/outright quote all of them at one time or another, so yea... remarkably accurate guess there Isla...

Yeah, I have those nuggets of insight from time to time.
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Re: Main discussion thread

Postby Krika on Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:18 pm

IslaKariese wrote:
Krika wrote:MMM, I don't know so much about that character specifically, so much as the general "A God Am I" archetype. Only other time I've felt that was when I realized that as the player in Minecraft, I could literally reshape the world and all in it to my whim. Which then involved a ton of TNT.

At this point, I think the classic romantic plot would involve Romeo getting off-track because of another girl, Romantic False Lead, so at this point maybe Vanessa, before hooking back up with the original girl. Anything else to add onto that?

Romeo and Juliet's romance in their original play had been pretty shallow to begin with, so we need a way for him to legitimately fall in love with Juliet.


Given a comment on Romeo's blog to the effect that he blocked Juliet to ask a question without her seeing, I think we'll have to wait to figure out something appropriate to accomplish this.
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Re: Main discussion thread

Postby Inukai44 on Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:23 pm

Romeo has posted on his blog

http://romeo.ezblog.twwf.info/?p=36
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Re: Main discussion thread

Postby Sicon112 on Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:24 pm

So the situation: He is upset with Juliet for what he sees as nagging him about going back, but she is scared and uneasy in our world and wants him to stay with her. Ooooooh boy.
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