UnMasking The Cabal

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Re: UnMasking The Cabal

Postby Dryunya on Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:18 pm

The following is going to be more of a compilation of facts, because I don't really know what to make of this.
Wall Of Text, thinking aloud (read: ramblings) AND no clear information. Read at your own risk.

We've been analyzing the voice mail all this time, but there's other source of information we forgot about: our detectives' clients. They framed our guys, and they are clearly a part of the Cabal. So...

  1. Poirot's client is Arthur Moore, "Assistant Professor of Mathematics" "at King’s College London". Seems to be an Englishman. Leslie Okogwu's case was given to him on 28th of September. Also, Les seemed to be scared of Moore's name.
  2. Sherlock's client is more suspicious. The case was presented on 30th of September. The client is a Dutchman, called Elias Stein (Steinitz, anyone?). Met Holmes at the Chershire Pub. Wore dark clothes (Holmes noted that it must have been bought a day before), gloves, shades. It was also very dark, and Stein had a huge orange beard. In short, his face was obscured well. He also had a napkin from Cafe Nero (that's where Raikes works).
  3. Now we're getting to the Cabal. Angelus has started looking for compatriots on (or after) 17th Sep (first letter), they got together after 21st (second letter) and, I assume, before 23rd (Joe started to receive more letters). I also assume that Joe lives in the US. Our detectives resided in London. If the Cabal had to move from some other country, they should have both had a clear reason to frame them, and a Xanatos Speed Chess master - orchestrating a perfect crime in a week is no trivial matter. The problem is that we don't know where the Cabal's members were at the moment.
  4. Now it gets fuzzy. The problem is that I now realize that Moore could disguise himself at Stein, and that means that only 1 member of the Cabal would have to be present in London. Even though they mentioned that Moore was an Englishman and Stein was a Dutchman, I think the accents could be faked (I'm pretty clueless when it comes to accents).

Ok. To be honest, it all falls apart. If we assume that the "killed for stumbling at the wrong place at the wrong time" guy is Phantom, that leaves 2 more people from the cover. And, well, it's more of a premonition than anything, but that guy with the glasses just doesn't seem to be the right person for the remaining threats with a man's voice.
I think the only way we can make some sense of it all is assuming there are more than 4 people in the Cabal.
Or something.

Sorry. Tl;dr: we need to factor the old information into the equation. We have 3 sources: blogs, voicemail, and, probably, the comic.
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Re: UnMasking The Cabal

Postby Victin on Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:19 pm

Dryunya wrote:The following is going to be more of a compilation of facts, because I don't really know what to make of this.
Wall Of Text, thinking aloud (read: ramblings) AND no clear information. Read at your own risk.

We've been analyzing the voice mail all this time, but there's other source of information we forgot about: our detectives' clients. They framed our guys, and they are clearly a part of the Cabal. So...

  1. Poirot's client is Arthur Moore, "Assistant Professor of Mathematics" "at King’s College London". Seems to be an Englishman. Leslie Okogwu's case was given to him on 28th of September. Also, Les seemed to be scared of Moore's name.
  2. Sherlock's client is more suspicious. The case was presented on 30th of September. The client is a Dutchman, called Elias Stein (Steinitz, anyone?). Met Holmes at the Chershire Pub. Wore dark clothes (Holmes noted that it must have been bought a day before), gloves, shades. It was also very dark, and Stein had a huge orange beard. In short, his face was obscured well. He also had a napkin from Cafe Nero (that's where Raikes works).
  3. Now we're getting to the Cabal. Angelus has started looking for compatriots on (or after) 17th Sep (first letter), they got together after 21st (second letter) and, I assume, before 23rd (Joe started to receive more letters). I also assume that Joe lives in the US. Our detectives resided in London. If the Cabal had to move from some other country, they should have both had a clear reason to frame them, and a Xanatos Speed Chess master - orchestrating a perfect crime in a week is no trivial matter. The problem is that we don't know where the Cabal's members were at the moment.
  4. Now it gets fuzzy. The problem is that I now realize that Moore could disguise himself at Stein, and that means that only 1 member of the Cabal would have to be present in London. Even though they mentioned that Moore was an Englishman and Stein was a Dutchman, I think the accents could be faked (I'm pretty clueless when it comes to accents).

Ok. To be honest, it all falls apart. If we assume that the "killed for stumbling at the wrong place at the wrong time" guy is Phantom, that leaves 2 more people from the cover. And, well, it's more of a premonition than anything, but that guy with the glasses just doesn't seem to be the right person for the remaining threats with a man's voice.
I think the only way we can make some sense of it all is assuming there are more than 4 people in the Cabal.
Or something.

Sorry. Tl;dr: we need to factor the old information into the equation. We have 3 sources: blogs, voicemail, and, probably, the comic.

Wait... Isn't Phantom a good actor?
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Re: UnMasking The Cabal

Postby Sicon112 on Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:22 pm

Agreed. I've been working on setting up a map of events, but there is always something that doesn't seem to fit.

Something just occured to me though, has anyone tried accessing Raikespeare's blog recently? It could have been unlocked. I dunno if it HAS been, and it probably hasn't, but I'm gonna go take a look.
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Re: UnMasking The Cabal

Postby Dryunya on Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:46 pm

Nope, still locked. I remembered about it when digging through the old posts.
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Re: UnMasking The Cabal

Postby AceOfSpades on Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:49 pm

Scarab wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:No. but we never really hear from others that have noticed it too have we.


Actually yeah, that's a good point.

...Oh dear. I do hope it's not the case that there WERE others who have already been, um, silenced. I doubt it, their convos didn't make it sound that way, but still, it's a worry.


What I meant by that specifically was that, either 4 possibilities happened. Either they are missing, dead, committed or just stayed silent save for a few friends.
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Re: UnMasking The Cabal

Postby NeverSlender on Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:38 am

I was just looking at the registration for the cabal's chat service and it's really strange. The domain is actually registered as PhEeBle.net. Why would someone bother putting captal letters in a web address?
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Re: UnMasking The Cabal

Postby NeverSlender on Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:59 am

The domain is registered as Ph Ee Ble, three separate words. Could they be shortened from something?
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Re: UnMasking The Cabal

Postby Zup on Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:10 am

NeverSlender wrote:The domain is registered as Ph Ee Ble, three separate words. Could they be shortened from something?


Phantom, Eeyore, and Bleck? :P
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Re: UnMasking The Cabal

Postby NeverSlender on Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:11 am

Phantom could be correct. I don't really see Eeyore sending threats to people.
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Re: UnMasking The Cabal

Postby Pixelmage on Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:12 am

Zup wrote:
NeverSlender wrote:The domain is registered as Ph Ee Ble, three separate words. Could they be shortened from something?


Phantom, Eeyore, and Bleck? :P


Only Angelus created it by himself before meeting the others...
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Re: UnMasking The Cabal

Postby AceOfSpades on Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:04 am

NeverSlender wrote:Phantom could be correct. I don't really see Eeyore sending threats to people.


Ya he seems more of negative Jerk, than the threatening jerk.
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Re: UnMasking The Cabal

Postby NeverSlender on Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:08 am

There's a song in The Phantom of the Opera that's called Angel of Music. Does anyone know if it's about the Phantom?
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Re: UnMasking The Cabal

Postby narrativedilettante on Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:13 am

NeverSlender wrote:There's a song in The Phantom of the Opera that's called Angel of Music. Does anyone know if it's about the Phantom?


It is. That may indeed be a connection.
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Re: UnMasking The Cabal

Postby NeverSlender on Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:16 am

I haven't seen/read it but for anyone who knows, what's the Phantom like? Does his personality fit any of the cabal members?
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Re: UnMasking The Cabal

Postby Pixelmage on Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:17 am

narrativedilettante wrote:
NeverSlender wrote:There's a song in The Phantom of the Opera that's called Angel of Music. Does anyone know if it's about the Phantom?


It is. That may indeed be a connection.


The Phantom as Angelus? The nicest guy in the Cabal one of the most dangerous (I'm not saying evil. Just dangerous) fictionals we could have? Lucky, are we not? :lol:
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Re: UnMasking The Cabal

Postby AceOfSpades on Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:26 am

Depends on which version of the Phantom it is, if it's the Andrew Lloyd Weber version it doesn't seem likely, he is a tragic victim not a bad guy. Whilst the original French Literature on the otherhand is a sinister villain who likes power and control over the opera and everyone in it.

EDIT: Now here is something completely weird about the original, according to the Author, Gaston Leroux, Erik the original Phantom was a real person. But that was pretty much a ludicrous claim on Gaston's part.
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Re: UnMasking The Cabal

Postby Qara-Xuan Zenith on Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:34 am

To quote the Phantom in the Andrew Lloyd Weber musical: "If these demands are not met, a disaster beyond imagination will occur."

Yeah, he could definitely fit the Cabal profile. And he introduced himself to Christine as the Angel of Music, and liked to be called that pretty consistently.
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Re: UnMasking The Cabal

Postby Wysp on Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:04 pm

I'm going to officially name the Phantom of the Opera as my #1 suspect for the true identity of Pyramus.

This is based off of the phone call to Joan and the mindsnmatters pheeble archive. In the latter, Pyramus commented on Joan's attractiveness, while in the latter, a distinctly French adult's voice complimented Joan on her looks. The Phantom is already in the suspect pool I believe thanks to the comic cover, and the original Phantom was, in fact, French. The Italian teenager Romeo does not speak in an adult French accent--he's not that guileful. Nor has Pyramus, in any of his chat comments, displayed Romeo's instability.
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Re: UnMasking The Cabal

Postby The Wild West Pyro on Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:36 am

THe Phantom is a nice guy to Christine, but he's also a stalker, extortionist, arsonist, murderer and is even willing to torture her boyfriend and his best friend in his torture chamber, and doesn't hesitate to whip out a junior hacksaw, and send a chandelier down on a innocent audience, killing one, injuring hundreds and causing a huge fire.
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Re: UnMasking The Cabal

Postby Dryunya on Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:30 am

Wysp wrote:I'm going to officially name the Phantom of the Opera as my #1 suspect for the true identity of Pyramus.

This is based off of the phone call to Joan and the mindsnmatters pheeble archive. In the latter, Pyramus commented on Joan's attractiveness, while in the latter, a distinctly French adult's voice complimented Joan on her looks.

I was actually stumped by the mindsandmatters archive, because I thought the "it is dungerous" message was the one spoken in French accent. As I said, though, I don't have any knowledge base when it comes to accents, so if you are sure the first message was French, we finally have our suspect.
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Re: UnMasking The Cabal

Postby The Wild West Pyro on Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:00 am

Wysp, I totally agree with you as well, because the Phantom being Pyramus suits him.

Why would the Phantom have his name as Pyramus?

Well, because he's disfigured, no woman would want to marry him.

In the book and musical, and most adaptations, he simply wants a wife, just one he could buy gifts for and take out for walks in the park on the weekend. He's also very lonely, and no one loved him, not even his mother.

He chose the name Pyramus, because he sees Romeo, or Pyramus, as being a kind of ladies's man, with tons of adoring girlfriends-the person the Phantom wants to be.

He is a gentleman as well, is French of course, and he likes attractive women, because they remind him of the only person who loved him in his life- Christine Daae.

Oh, and, could we all address him as Erik from now on? Because that's his real name.
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Re: UnMasking The Cabal

Postby Dryunya on Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:25 am

Let's wait for direct evidence before we do.
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Re: UnMasking The Cabal

Postby The Wild West Pyro on Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:02 am

Dryunya wrote:Let's wait for direct evidence before we do.


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Re: UnMasking The Cabal

Postby NeverSlender on Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:26 am

Just a note, one of the letters that was sent uses the letter "þ" instead of "th". Apparently this is a letter called thorn, used in old english or old norse. We could have a character from medieval England or Scandinavia.
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Re: UnMasking The Cabal

Postby Zup on Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:29 am

Beowulf? He's known for being a rhetorician. :P But seriously, Beowulf would flipping awesome.
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