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Re: New group chat

Postby Tohrinha on Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:58 pm

Pixelmage wrote:
Sicon112 wrote:I've tried a significant amount of varying archive codes, but so far not a lot of luck. I'll discount the blogs then and look for character named archives.

We have no access to the Log's metadata (computer terms metadata). So there's no way to know when they create the chatlogs... My guess is that they enable the archives right before allowing us to reach it... So, there was no westwitch when I tried earlier, but now that Holmes found that letter, there could be a westwitch log (didn't retest it yet - no change, westwitch invalid). If so, trying to bruteforce a archive password won't work at all.

Also, the passwords are case-sensitive. Although so far they've only been lowercase; they may continue that pattern.
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Re: New group chat

Postby Sicon112 on Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:59 pm

Pixelmage wrote:
Sicon112 wrote:I've tried a significant amount of varying archive codes, but so far not a lot of luck. I'll discount the blogs then and look for character named archives.

We have no access to the Log's metadata (computer terms metadata). So there's no way to know when they create the chatlogs... My guess is that they enable the archives right before allowing us to reach it... So, there was no westwitch when I tried earlier, but now that Holmes found that letter, there could be a westwitch log (didn't retest it yet - no change, westwitch invalid). If so, trying to bruteforce a archive password won't work at all.


I've tried a few hundred combinations now, and I would say you are right about them activating things at the last second. That's how they did it with the first logs. A bit of information that may prove helpful later: They do not usually use spaces, and the log IDs are case sensitive.
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Re: New group chat

Postby Sicon112 on Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:59 pm

Tohrinha wrote:Also, the passwords are case-sensitive. Although so far they've only been lowercase; they may continue that pattern.



Ninjaaaaaaaaas.... T.T
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Re: New group chat

Postby Pixelmage on Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:03 pm

Tohrinha wrote:Also, the passwords are case-sensitive. Although so far they've only been lowercase; they may continue that pattern.

Didn't try that... Because trying capitalizations is a pain.

Someone here has an injector and know how to use it?

<div id="chatContainer">
<div id="chatTopBar" class="rounded">session: mindsandmatters</div>
<div id="chatLineHolder" ></div>
<!-- <div id="chatUsers" class="rounded"></div> -->
<div id="chatBottomBar" class="rounded">
<div class="tip"></div>
</div>
</div>


See that code (from the mindsandmatters archive source code)? This line:
<!-- <div id="chatUsers" class="rounded"></div> -->
Is an invisible panel. What in blazes is in this pannel, I can't know. But if someoe knows how to GreaseMonkey or something their way into removing the <!-- --> comment tags to force the pannel to be visible, it could reveal something.
It's been ages since I toyed with that stuff, I don't have the tools to do it now, and I'm not ever sure if I can do it without some serious time studying the newer tools...
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Re: New group chat

Postby IslaKariese on Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:07 pm

Pixelmage wrote:
Tohrinha wrote:Also, the passwords are case-sensitive. Although so far they've only been lowercase; they may continue that pattern.

Didn't try that... Because trying capitalizations is a pain.

Someone here has an injector and know how to use it?

<div id="chatContainer">
<div id="chatTopBar" class="rounded">session: mindsandmatters</div>
<div id="chatLineHolder" ></div>
<!-- <div id="chatUsers" class="rounded"></div> -->
<div id="chatBottomBar" class="rounded">
<div class="tip"></div>
</div>
</div>


See that code (from the mindsandmatters archive source code)? This line:
<!-- <div id="chatUsers" class="rounded"></div> -->
Is an invisible panel. What in blazes is in this pannel, I can't know. But if someoe knows how to GreaseMonkey or something their way into removing the <!-- --> comment tags to force the pannel to be visible, it could reveal something.
It's been ages since I toyed with that stuff, I don't have the tools to do it now, and I'm not ever sure if I can do it without some serious time studying the newer tools...

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Re: New group chat

Postby Adell on Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:16 pm

If they did do a live chat thing, we'd probably have to pick only a hand full of us to crash it if we were to actually enter in and converse with them. If too many of us went in it would be utter chaos (which is why I don't think they'll be doing that)
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Re: New group chat

Postby Pixelmage on Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:19 pm

IslaKariese wrote:*hisses through her teeth* Computer stuff. Headache. Oh god so much headache.

I know the feeling. And I work with the stuff.
But it's midnight now, I'll have to scout a possible college transfer tomorrow and I don't have anything I can use to crack that on my laptop... :cry:
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Re: New group chat

Postby NeverSlender on Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:48 am

These chats seem to happen over a period of time. In this one, they went from discussing the notebook to going to get the notebook to after they'd left the messages. They also seem to be a while behind events.
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Re: New group chat

Postby NeverSlender on Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:15 am

Pixelmage wrote:
Tohrinha wrote:Also, the passwords are case-sensitive. Although so far they've only been lowercase; they may continue that pattern.

Didn't try that... Because trying capitalizations is a pain.

Someone here has an injector and know how to use it?

<div id="chatContainer">
<div id="chatTopBar" class="rounded">session: mindsandmatters</div>
<div id="chatLineHolder" ></div>
<!-- <div id="chatUsers" class="rounded"></div> -->
<div id="chatBottomBar" class="rounded">
<div class="tip"></div>
</div>
</div>


See that code (from the mindsandmatters archive source code)? This line:
<!-- <div id="chatUsers" class="rounded"></div> -->
Is an invisible panel. What in blazes is in this pannel, I can't know. But if someoe knows how to GreaseMonkey or something their way into removing the <!-- --> comment tags to force the pannel to be visible, it could reveal something.
It's been ages since I toyed with that stuff, I don't have the tools to do it now, and I'm not ever sure if I can do it without some serious time studying the newer tools...


Done.
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Re: New group chat

Postby Pixelmage on Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:21 am

NeverSlender wrote:Done.


Empty username list. T_T
That's depressing.

An idea, pheeble is not their hangout. They set the site up to use as a showcase for whatever they wanted us to know. The place they actually talk in is another site altogether. Too much work, very unrealistic, but would explain why we can't get a single lead out of the supposed chatroom.

Oh well... To be honest I was hoping it would be a control panel of some sort...
Awesome work anyway, Never! On a positive note, it's one false lead out of the way.
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Re: New group chat

Postby Sicon112 on Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:44 am

Pixelmage wrote:
NeverSlender wrote:Done.


Empty username list. T_T
That's depressing.

An idea, pheeble is not their hangout. They set the site up to use as a showcase for whatever they wanted us to know. The place they actually talk in is another site altogether. Too much work, very unrealistic, but would explain why we can't get a single lead out of the supposed chatroom.

Oh well... To be honest I was hoping it would be a control panel of some sort...
Awesome work anyway, Never! On a positive note, it's one false lead out of the way.


I thought that was apparent about a day into this plot line, but yea...
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Re: New group chat

Postby NeverSlender on Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:50 am

I think there could be more to the site. The source code says there is a logout button for chat user a.
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Re: New group chat

Postby Sicon112 on Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:18 am

NeverSlender wrote:I think there could be more to the site. The source code says there is a logout button for chat user a.


Now that's interesting... There any other log out options? Probably not, since this seems to be archived and run by Angelus, meaning only he would have the log button on that page...
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Re: New group chat

Postby NeverSlender on Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:21 am

Sicon112 wrote:
NeverSlender wrote:I think there could be more to the site. The source code says there is a logout button for chat user a.


Now that's interesting... There any other log out options? Probably not, since this seems to be archived and run by Angelus, meaning only he would have the log button on that page...


No. There is a mention of user p, but all it says is he hasn't uploaded any chat archives.
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Re: New group chat

Postby Sicon112 on Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:25 am

NeverSlender wrote:
Sicon112 wrote:
NeverSlender wrote:I think there could be more to the site. The source code says there is a logout button for chat user a.


Now that's interesting... There any other log out options? Probably not, since this seems to be archived and run by Angelus, meaning only he would have the log button on that page...


No. There is a mention of user p, but all it says is he hasn't uploaded any chat archives.


Angelus and Pyramus seem to trust each other to the extent that they agree on most things. They were also the first two in the chat. It makes sense that Angelus allowed Pyramus to hold an account on the archive site as well...
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Re: New group chat

Postby Dryunya on Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:36 pm

Am I missing something? I see nothing of importance in that image. :|
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Re: New group chat

Postby NeverSlender on Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:36 pm

Dryunya wrote:Am I missing something? I see nothing of importance in that image. :|


What image?
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Re: New group chat

Postby Dryunya on Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:45 pm

Pixelmage wrote:
NeverSlender wrote:Done.


Empty username list. T_T
That's depressing.

I figured you saw something special there, now that you are talking about usernames and uploads?

I can almost physically feel my Meta Badass Decay. :(
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Re: New group chat

Postby NeverSlender on Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:48 pm

Dryunya wrote:
Pixelmage wrote:
NeverSlender wrote:Done.


Empty username list. T_T
That's depressing.

I figured you saw something special there, now that you are talking about usernames and uploads?

I can almost physically feel my Meta Badass Decay. :(


That black box is hidden in the normal chat archive. If you edit the source code, you can see it, but it's just where usernames would be.
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Re: New group chat

Postby Dryunya on Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:50 pm

Oh... I get it now.
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Re: New group chat

Postby IslaKariese on Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:34 pm

They're planning on meeting in San Francisco.
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Re: New group chat

Postby NeverSlender on Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:35 pm

If the cover of the comic shows the cabal members, this could be it.
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Re: New group chat

Postby Zup on Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:36 pm

That would make sense. Is San Francisco really cold right now?
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Re: New group chat

Postby Scarab on Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:38 pm

Is it just me, or is Angelus extremely distracted in pretty much all of his conversations? The new meetplan one has him delaying replying to the other members of the Cabal because he was doing something elsewhere, and before that he kept commenting in the wrong thread, suggesting he was having more than one convo at once... clumsy, I thought.

Zup wrote:That would make sense. Is San Francisco really cold right now?


It's rainy in San Fransisco right now apparantly... funny I never associated it with cold, I figured it was usually very warm.
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Re: New group chat

Postby JackAlsworth on Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:38 pm

Zup wrote:That would make sense. Is San Francisco really cold right now?


Not horribly. Mid 50's to low 60's over the week. (Degrees in Fahrenheit)
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