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EdwardTheAwesome wrote:Guys, I saw the recent Cabal chats. Where's all the discussion and speculation? Did I miss something?

It's... in other places, I'm not paying any attention, sorry.

EdwardTheAwesome wrote:Guys, I saw the recent Cabal chats. Where's all the discussion and speculation? Did I miss something?

We've been doing most of it in the new chat room: http://www.neatchat.com/?id=9a68ee6b19e ... 9b99493e6e

But yeah, we really should be having these official discussions here on the forum.

So that's...hundreds of pages of discussion.

Um. Can we bring the discussing things back here? Please? It's so much easier to search for things here. And to sort through things here.

The chat leaves me much more to read through and it isn't organized into threads. I'd feel better if we did our speculating here.

Greyscale wrote:The chat leaves me much more to read through and it isn't organized into threads. I'd feel better if we did our speculating here.

Same here.

EdwardTheAwesome wrote:So that's...hundreds of pages of discussion.

Um. Can we bring the discussing things back here? Please? It's so much easier to search for things here. And to sort through things here.

I am trying very hard to keep people there under control, and Dryu is helping me.

Apparently they are not responsible for the murders. So now we have to figure out who is. (Tara's murder may be unrelated to anything fictional, but the thing with Adam's dates has GOT to be something we can help with.)

narrativedilettante wrote:Apparently they are not responsible for the murders. So now we have to figure out who is. (Tara's murder may be unrelated to anything fictional, but the thing with Adam's dates has GOT to be something we can help with.)

Seems like then, they are really desperate to stay. However, we must find a way to stop them pulling Cthulhu into this world at all costs.

The Wild West Pyro wrote:

narrativedilettante wrote:Apparently they are not responsible for the murders. So now we have to figure out who is. (Tara's murder may be unrelated to anything fictional, but the thing with Adam's dates has GOT to be something we can help with.)

Seems like then, they are really desperate to stay. However, we must find a way to stop them pulling Cthulhu into this world at all costs.

Still no confirmation that that's their plan. In fact, according to the logs, it just looks like Erik's personal project with no sinister purpose behind it whatsoever. Some of them didn't really know much about it.

Okay, so in the Pheeble archives we've got thanks to Metaneko and Pixel, the Cabal divided up the fictionals to try to sway to their side. And whatever we decide our ultimate attitude to this is, we HAVE to keep track of who's got whom.

So here's the breakdown:

Don Juan:

• Juliet
• The Witch
• Romeo

Morgan le Fey:

• Poirot
• Long John Silver
• Peter Pan (and despite her insistence she won't kill him, I don't like her eagerness to take him)

Moriarty:

• Holmes (regardless of their intentions, I really DON'T like the way he insisted on this... it doesn't look good)
• Gulliver
• Sweeney Todd

Erik:

• Adam (again, the "Adam is mine" came off a little creepy... though he's right that they've got a lot in common)
• Quixote (though Juan seemed to dispute this one, so he may have gotten him instead)

None of them:

• Metaneko (because they don't want to deal with him again... )

Also, I'd like to point out a word of caution-- a couple, actually:

• First, if Morgana and Moriarty are together, there is NO POINT in having that sweet conversation as an archived chat instead of face-to-face, unless they expected us to discover it, and wanted to manipulate us emotionally.
• Second, while they all made general statements against killing, only Erik outright denied killing Tara. If Moriarty engineered it privately, asking A if he did it was the BEST possible move to deflect suspicion.
• Third, again, while they all come out anti-killing, they mention that we ACCUSE them of Adam's dates' deaths, but they never actually deny it.
• Fourth, the rest of them seem to think Morgana's the most dangerous; she claimed Peter BECAUSE they think he's the most dangerous to THEIR cause, and they were all worried she'd do something horrible to him.
• And fifth, they know about our chatroom, which means all my paranoia there is justified. Thank you.

Thanks Qara, this helps me keep it straight in my head. No matter how good my memory is, it is still bothersome. And your nitpicking of their statements amuses me. Huzzah for paranoia. You do make some good points, though, some of which, such as the suspicious nature of that Morgana and Moriarty chat, I also considered.

In all seriousness, though, I don't trust them either. They started and came here as villains. That is who they are, and I refuse to believe them if they claim otherwise. It makes no sense logically. They seem to act as though they are forced into unwillingly playing the villain role, when causality and logic say that they are merely acting in character, and would do the same, free-will or not. That is the way they were brought into existence, and is their nature. Experiences can cause a change, but I refuse to believe that they would have done differently in their stories, given the choice. If they can prove that they have changed, I will start paying attention, since I DO believe that they are capable of redemption. Everyone is.

Sicon112 wrote:Thanks Qara, this helps me keep it straight in my head. No matter how good my memory is, it is still bothersome. And your nitpicking of their statements amuses me. Huzzah for paranoia. You do make some good points, though, some of which, such as the suspicious nature of that Morgana and Moriarty chat, I also considered.

In all seriousness, though, I don't trust them either. They started and came here as villains. That is who they are, and I refuse to believe them if they claim otherwise. It makes no sense logically. They seem to act as though they are forced into unwillingly playing the villain role, when causality and logic say that they are merely acting in character, and would do the same, free-will or not. That is the way they were brought into existence, and is their nature. Experiences can cause a change, but I refuse to believe that they would have done differently in their stories, given the choice. If they can prove that they have changed, I will start paying attention, since I DO believe that they are capable of redemption. Everyone is.

Everyone can turn over a new leaf, even the worst villains can.

The Wild West Pyro wrote:

Sicon112 wrote:Thanks Qara, this helps me keep it straight in my head. No matter how good my memory is, it is still bothersome. And your nitpicking of their statements amuses me. Huzzah for paranoia. You do make some good points, though, some of which, such as the suspicious nature of that Morgana and Moriarty chat, I also considered.

In all seriousness, though, I don't trust them either. They started and came here as villains. That is who they are, and I refuse to believe them if they claim otherwise. It makes no sense logically. They seem to act as though they are forced into unwillingly playing the villain role, when causality and logic say that they are merely acting in character, and would do the same, free-will or not. That is the way they were brought into existence, and is their nature. Experiences can cause a change, but I refuse to believe that they would have done differently in their stories, given the choice. If they can prove that they have changed, I will start paying attention, since I DO believe that they are capable of redemption. Everyone is.

Everyone can turn over a new leaf, even the worst villains can.

But always remember that they WERE the worst villains. Don't demonize them for it if they claim to have reformed, but be careful.

Sicon112 wrote:

The Wild West Pyro wrote:

Sicon112 wrote:Thanks Qara, this helps me keep it straight in my head. No matter how good my memory is, it is still bothersome. And your nitpicking of their statements amuses me. Huzzah for paranoia. You do make some good points, though, some of which, such as the suspicious nature of that Morgana and Moriarty chat, I also considered.

In all seriousness, though, I don't trust them either. They started and came here as villains. That is who they are, and I refuse to believe them if they claim otherwise. It makes no sense logically. They seem to act as though they are forced into unwillingly playing the villain role, when causality and logic say that they are merely acting in character, and would do the same, free-will or not. That is the way they were brought into existence, and is their nature. Experiences can cause a change, but I refuse to believe that they would have done differently in their stories, given the choice. If they can prove that they have changed, I will start paying attention, since I DO believe that they are capable of redemption. Everyone is.

Everyone can turn over a new leaf, even the worst villains can.

But always remember that they WERE the worst villains. Don't demonize them for it if they claim to have reformed, but be careful.

OK.

Something of interest to you guys that can finally get me to do some action is that I might be able to help send the Phantom back to his story. My sister is a big Phantom of the Opera fan and has shown interest in writing a story with me when we get the echo relating to him.

So yeah.

I'm also going to be working on the Phantom, for similar reasons.

Actually, it would probably be a good idea for us to discuss which characters we're most familiar with so we know who is best for writing each story - and in case we realise there's someone we're going to have more difficulty with.

... I explained this horribly.

In any case, the characters I know best: The Phantom, Holmes, Moriarty, Sweeney, Romeo and Juliet, Metaneko.

S_o_S wrote:I'm also going to be working on the Phantom, for similar reasons.

Actually, it would probably be a good idea for us to discuss which characters we're most familiar with so we know who is best for writing each story - and in case we realise there's someone we're going to have more difficulty with.

... I explained this horribly.

In any case, the characters I know best: The Phantom, Holmes, Moriarty, Sweeney, Romeo and Juliet, Metaneko.

No I think you made it pretty clear.

I'm familiar with Holmes, Moriarty, R&J, Phantom. That's it so far.

I'm familiar with Holmes, Moriarty, Gulliver, Sweeney, Metaneko, to a lesser extent Quixote and to an even lesser extent the Phantom.

I'm familiar with all of them except for Sweeney, Poirot, and my memory of LJS is a little hazy. But I'm comfortable writing about any of them or all of them if need be.

I'm very familiar with Moriarty (who I want to write for)

By the way, a little thought I had today.
For all of you who didn't want to separate the love-doves (M&Ms ) - they seem to share an echo. Comic, page 8. Considering that they have different settings, we should see what Mr. A says when we get that echo, but I think there may be some exceptions to his rule.

Dryunya wrote:By the way, a little thought I had today.
For all of you who didn't want to separate the love-doves (M&Ms ) - they seem to share an echo. Comic, page 8. Considering that they have different settings, we should see what Mr. A says when we get that echo, but I think there may be some exceptions to his rule.

You're brilliant. Clearly Mr. A has something up his sleeve there.

Now that I think about that, they all share an echo. Maybe the procedure will be somehow different for the Cabal.

Dryunya wrote:Now that I think about that, they all share an echo. Maybe the procedure will be somehow different for the Cabal.

Although... They're all on the cover page together, but there's another echo which just has one or two of them. Maybe we'll have to take the tropes from the comic for ALL of them, but refictionalize separately?

Dryunya wrote:Now that I think about that, they all share an echo. Maybe the procedure will be somehow different for the Cabal.

Holmes and Poirot share an echo. Does that mean they must go back together? Silver and Gulliver too.