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Ok, this is getting confusing. I'll post it in the Q&A.

We can work around the issue regardless. See this excerpt from my post on the "sending them back" thread.

However, I am willing to take every action within my power to give them a happy ending somewhere in fiction, even should sending them away be needed. To this end, I suggest getting Mr. A to continue his research, and brainstorming about how we can resolve these issues that recent news has given us, assuming they must each return to their own world.

For instance, crossovers have been demonstrated to be a viable option between fictions. Perhaps we write a story for Moriarty that ends with him discovering some kind of gate, and one for Morgana with the same. Then we imply that they lead to one another, creating both a crossover and leaving the rest up to them.

It seems that Deanna has been in contact with the Cabal, and she's sick of it. What exactly the nature of this relationship was is impossible to say for now. However, we may have a mutual enemy in her, which could serve as common ground for entering further talks...

Wiping the dust off this thread.

We've seen the latest Cabal's activity.
Getting a boy behind bars. Give me a fucking break. They think it would somehow keep us away from him, even though a) we're not sure if our presence is even required, and b) we CAN make the attorney fictionalize him, as it was discussed. What we really see, though, is that they intend to give the boy a goddamn prison sentence.

That does it. Whoever of them takes responsibility for this gets no forgiveness from me. We've given them a chance to talk everything over - they didn't use it. I asked them to stop the recruitment - not only they didn't, but they resorted to this. I think I've seen enough.

Dryunya wrote:Wiping the dust off this thread.

We've seen the latest Cabal's activity.
Getting a boy behind bars. Give me a fucking break. They think it would somehow keep us away from him, even though a) we're not sure if our presence is even required, and b) we CAN make the attorney fictionalize him, as it was discussed. What we really see, though, is that they intend to give the boy a goddamn prison sentence.

That does it. Whoever of them takes responsibility for this gets no forgiveness from me. We've given them a chance to talk everything over - they didn't use it. I asked them to stop the recruitment - not only they didn't, but they resorted to this. I think I've seen enough.

Well then I concur, how should we handle this?

If they cross the line, we could refictionalise them against their will...

Dryunya wrote:Wiping the dust off this thread.

We've seen the latest Cabal's activity.
Getting a boy behind bars. Give me a fucking break. They think it would somehow keep us away from him, even though a) we're not sure if our presence is even required, and b) we CAN make the attorney fictionalize him, as it was discussed. What we really see, though, is that they intend to give the boy a goddamn prison sentence.

That does it. Whoever of them takes responsibility for this gets no forgiveness from me. We've given them a chance to talk everything over - they didn't use it. I asked them to stop the recruitment - not only they didn't, but they resorted to this. I think I've seen enough.

What about Erik? he at least tried to communicate with us, didn't he?

Still I think the time for negotiations is past... and I guess if they really love this world and the supposed free will it gives them so much? Then they can live with a little thing called 'consequences of your actions'. >:(

Scarab wrote:What about Erik? he at least tried to communicate with us, didn't he?

That's why I inserted that "the one responsible" bit. Someone of them will have to take responsibility. The "it's a glitch" excuse didn't work for Romeo, and it won't work here.
And if they actually stay here, we may have evidence to get their own asses behind bars. We'll see how they'll like their free will after that.

Though putting Pan behind bars is despicable, I'm still not at the point of being unwilling to forgive and negotiate with whoever's involved. Part of this is that my own personal feelings about whoever did this are less significant than my fear of what could happen if we don't restore everyone to fiction and repair the wall. I'm willing to give a happy ending to someone who doesn't deserve it just because that's the safest thing to do.

narrativedilettante wrote:Though putting Pan behind bars is despicable, I'm still not at the point of being unwilling to forgive and negotiate with whoever's involved. Part of this is that my own personal feelings about whoever did this are less significant than my fear of what could happen if we don't restore everyone to fiction and repair the wall. I'm willing to give a happy ending to someone who doesn't deserve it just because that's the safest thing to do.

I feel much the same. Though when you think about it, the idea isn't so much to give them happy endings as to give them potential beginnings, what they do with that is up to them.

Welp. I think I'm about ready to go hunt down some Wall Pieces. Is *anybody* with me?

Well, I would help, but my location makes it imposssible. So... You have my moral support?
(I mean, seriously guys, it can't be that bad.)

So... the chatroom folks have noticed that Ed was demoted...

Guys, I know that's very out of character for me, but shouldn't we stick together? Pretty please?
We need Adell, Xana and Qara here, stat. Gotta speech harder.

I would love to, Ed, but they're all seriously out of my reach, and I don't know how I can help.

Also, what happened to your admin status, Ed? Is everything okay between you and Joe?

Dryunya wrote:So... the chatroom folks have noticed that Ed was demoted...

Guys, I know that's very out of character for me, but shouldn't we stick together? Pretty please?
We need Adell, Xana and Qara here, stat. Gotta speech harder.

You forgot Sicon. But I don't care we split up unless we start to fight.

Joe will probably try to explain, but he'll likely leave the important bits out. I'll say what needs to be said if he lies again.

And yes, this is on topic.

So, I guess it didn't exactly go well between you.
Guys. STAHP.

We are a tram! Not to mention the forum needs an admin. You must shake hands and make up.

(But if you're going to rant, please make a separate thread for it. ^_^)

I feel like my last post was specifically not a rant. I'll give Joe a chance to say things as they are and not lie about them. If he doesn't, then I'll rant.

But I'm not going to be the one to go back and make nice. Sorry.

EdwardTheAwesome wrote:Joe will probably try to explain, but he'll likely leave the important bits out. I'll say what needs to be said if he lies again.

So, you're implying that he's lied before. I have to say you've got me worried, Ed. It sounds like you're giving Joe a chance to give his side of the story first. After that's happened I think I'd very much like to hear what you have to say. And I'm strongly worried about the implications of you two having a falling-out.

As for hunting down the wall pieces: I'm all for figuring out where they are, but I'm completely against fixing the wall YET. I don't think we can afford to do this hastily. If we rush it, I expect it to blow up in our faces.

If we figure out their locations, so will the Cabal. And finding a piece reintegrates it with the wall automatically. So no, it's a bad idea. The generally accepted compromise is to find one piece and see what happens.

The part I didn't bother including in my post was "with the sorts of safeguards we discussed," as there have already been suggestions about ways for one person to track down a wall piece and omit information so that we're not posting everything publicly.

Well, I don't think that would give us anything. It won't advance the plot, you know.

narrativedilettante wrote:

EdwardTheAwesome wrote:Joe will probably try to explain, but he'll likely leave the important bits out. I'll say what needs to be said if he lies again.

So, you're implying that he's lied before. I have to say you've got me worried, Ed. It sounds like you're giving Joe a chance to give his side of the story first. After that's happened I think I'd very much like to hear what you have to say. And I'm strongly worried about the implications of you two having a falling-out.

As for hunting down the wall pieces: I'm all for figuring out where they are, but I'm completely against fixing the wall YET. I don't think we can afford to do this hastily. If we rush it, I expect it to blow up in our faces.

Sooo yeah, about that little falling out. I take it there's an explanation for this coming? Joe? Please?

I keep saying this, but it bears repeating - Joe has been given plenty reasons not to trust the Cabal, but.... if he's LYING, because he's afraid, or for whatever reason? That strikes me as... bad. The LAST thing we need is for people to start panicking about our own FOUNDER'S honesty. He can't have somebody he distrusts as an admin, and I realise that I don't know WHAT is going on here or why this has happened, but we're trying to communicate with both sides of the issue here, and we can't do that if people are silenced for voicing certain sympathies.

We are starting to have BIG problems with communciation here. I don't think I like where it's going... I'm sure nobody needs to be reminded that we're worrying about the fate of the world here.

Ed? Any more data? We don't want our two favourite GMs to fall out

Meta: it is highly likely that they are the same GM.

Dryunya wrote:So... the chatroom folks have noticed that Ed was demoted...

Guys, I know that's very out of character for me, but shouldn't we stick together? Pretty please?
We need Adell, Xana and Qara here, stat. Gotta speech harder.

Been sayin' that all along, man >.> I don't like what might be happening to us. On the one hand we have more important things to worry about than our own founders trustworthiness and the other hand... you know what, screw it, there is no other hand here. We're a team trying to protect the world here, guys you know what Adell would say here: hivemind!