S_o_S wrote:Having mulled it over, I've come to a definite conclusion - I pretty much agree with everything Qara has said already. However, I wish to propose an experiment.
We go after one, and exactly one piece of the wall. Let's see what happens if we try to go after one. If the Cabal seize it, fine, we won't go after the others. But if we can protect it, then we retain the ability to send any of them back at any time. In short, we get a bargaining chip. We can proceed from there.
H22 wrote:I agree with Sicon. Mostly. Hobbes would be looking down in horror and shock at some of our behaviours. However, I can't understand your final point. I don't even want proof, details would be acceptable.
Sicon112 wrote:I'm looking into the validity of the Cabal's claims. They do have a valid theory this time, but it is only as valid as Mr. A's at most. I do not understand why people are acting as though A is outright avoiding questions and such. Every action he has taken is perfectly understandable to me, as I view the matter in a pragmatic and detached light. I am really not sure as to why people are saying he is being mysterious or something. To me he is making perfect sense, and I would probably act no different in his place. All evidence points to him at least doing what he can to work with us as best he can, given his impairment of understanding. He isn't omniscient, and he has pointed this out before. Even with infinite instantiations, he can only do so much due to processing bottlenecks. He has said this himself, on his Twitter, for all the world to see. This is not to say I TRUST him, only that I understand him. Since I understand exactly how he is going about things, which is remarkably similar to my own MO, I know well enough not to trust him. However, I can at least be certain, within a reasonable margin of error, that he will continue acting in the same way he has been, and therefore I can predict him, more or less.
tl;dr, Mr. A appears to be doing everything he can to do what he believes is the best thing he can do in this situation, and he will probably keep doing so. Your accusations of unpredictability and dishonesty make no sense to me.
I am not saying I take any side at the moment, however. I am merely collecting information. I suggest that we all do so. Also, I think if you must recover one of the letters, I think the best thing to do would be to remove location information from it before posting. That was a good suggestion.
Oh and Ed, no offense man, but your argument was full of holes...
WackyMeetsPractical wrote:She's given us a mission: Go back to the spots where the echoes with Mr. A's face appeared and search for letters revealing the new locations of the wall pieces.
I say we do it. I mean, I know they're bad guys, but they're still PMs. It's an assignment. If we don't do it, we risk stalling the plot.
Scarab wrote:My gut wants to give everyone a chance. I WANT to believe Morgan. I just don't want the fate of the world to come down to my desires. In short I am stuck as hell right now, guys.
EdwardTheAwesome wrote:TL;DR I'm siding with Morgan. Let's find those wall pieces.
EdwardTheAwesome wrote:I'm siding with Morgan. Let's find those wall pieces.
EdwardTheAwesome wrote:I'm siding with Morgan.
EdwardTheAwesome wrote:siding with Morgan
Scarab wrote:If we were to find these pieces of the wall (and thus also find the letters by Agent X, which I believe are now associated with those pieces)... could we then protect them OURSELVES, as a third party?
narrativedilettante wrote:In many stories, the villains are not defeated until after they’ve succeeded, or nearly succeeded, in their goal. It may not be possible to refictionalize the Cabal until they gather all the wall pieces and are in the process of trying to seal the wall with them on this side.
Sicon112 wrote:tl;dr, Mr. A appears to be doing everything he can to do what he believes is the best thing he can do in this situation, and he will probably keep doing so. Your accusations of unpredictability and dishonesty make no sense to me.
Sicon112 wrote:I am not saying I take any side at the moment, however. I am merely collecting information. I suggest that we all do so.
Sicon112 wrote:Also, I think if you must recover one of the letters, I think the best thing to do would be to remove location information from it before posting. That was a good suggestion.
Dryunya wrote:Oh, one more thing. If you quote my entire previous post, I'll haunt you till the day you die. ^__^
Adell wrote:Dryunya wrote:Oh, one more thing. If you quote my entire previous post, I'll haunt you till the day you die. ^__^
Yes, please let's not do that.
Though while I understand your view, I'm personally still not seeing the whole "irredeemably evil" side of things (besides Moriarty, who has definitely killed). I also personally believe you're reading too much into her "terms" to return to her world. That was, at least to me, an exaggeration to prove a point that some fictionals will only go back if we potentially write terrible things that cause more suffering for other characters. She was raising an issue of morality. (or something like that, may not be wording this exactly as I want)
Also, while you may see things in black and white, a lot of the others metaguards don't, so please keep that in mind if you don't agree with them.
Dryunya wrote:m not even going to point out the holes in your logic until you show it to Joe and let him post and answer to that. May I remind you that your goddamn friend is on the run, and he haven't even received a motherhumping apology!?
H22 wrote:4) There's a big difference between providing proof and blackmail, and A's crossed the line.
H22 wrote:10) Everyone is avoiding pointing out these so-called errors.
Qara-Xuan Zenith wrote:H22 wrote:4) There's a big difference between providing proof and blackmail, and A's crossed the line.
A hasn't blackmailed anyone. Link, please? He issued a couple of statements that were interpreted of threats, but when approached on the matter, he backed down. His last statement on the matter was a simple, neutral "Those who want to retrieve the Wall pieces are against us." Statement of fact. No threat, and certainly no blackmail.H22 wrote:10) Everyone is avoiding pointing out these so-called errors.
Actually, I pointed out a great deal of them in my wall-of-text post that immediately followed Ed's.
And the only reason why I'm not addressing the rest of your points is because I and others have addressed them, at length, elsewhere, and I have neither the time nor the inclination at the moment for beating a dead horse.
Dryunya wrote:3 words: No Social Skills. When catching up, I've read Mr. A's posts about those threats, and he really doesn't know better. The others (sorry, don't remember who) tried to convince him to change his tone, and, well, he tried. Not much of an improvement, but still.
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