Well, I saw that coming...It's probably incredibly stupid of me to argue with the admin, but hey, when has something being suicidally stupid prevented me from doing it? If I see something I feel is wrong, I have to speak up, admin or no.
EdwardTheAwesome wrote:The Cabal has very limited resources. It makes sense that their proving that reality is stable, given limited manpower and limited time and limited EVERYTHING, would be a fruitless investigation.
Mr. A literally has infinite instantiations. If he has not found anything that looks like proof - and if he has, then for whatever stupid reason he hasn't shared it - that means much more to me than a group of four essentially human beings unable to prove something that should be taken for granted as normal anyway. He didn't even realize that the images of him led to the wall pieces. If he can't even use the empirical data of "HEY, THOSE PLACES SURE DO LOOK FAMILIAR" to realize what sort of information he's freely giving away, how can we trust him with a thorough investigation and hypotheses that make sense given the set of data?
Mr. A is dealing with something never-before-heard-of, on a massive scale. His infinite instantiations are a little tied up with, yes, panicking, as well as keeping all of us alive, keeping track of us, keeping what remains of the wall stable, keeping the remaining wall pieces safe, keeping more fictionals from crossing into the real world, keeping an eye on
everything, and, oh yeah, all the jobs he'd be doing when there
isn't a crisis.
The Cabal have a lot less to deal with, because frankly, they don't
need to deal with any of that stuff. If you were dealing with someone who was more obviously, relatably, humanoid, you'd let him off with "he's only human". Mr. A might not be human, but he is only... whatever he is. He isn't perfect, but at least he
tries. I can't help feeling that you're sympathizing with the Cabal just because they're more shaped like you.
EdwardTheAwesome wrote:She was accusing us of acting as "bad" as she does. I think she's right. Know why? Because we're all doing things that make the most sense to the continuation of life as we wish for it to continue.
We've done what we had to do in many of these situations. We are prepared to send back characters who really REALLY don't want to go back in order to secure our own lives and livelihoods. Some have said on this forum that the Cabal deserves to be sent back into horrible stories because of how awful they are. We hacked into someone's private voicemail because we were trying to protect a single person, but because we were trying to protect humanity...ourselves. And we've tricked people into trusting us when we all had ulterior motives, even though we are trying to correct that now.
...Okay, I'll be honest. I'm sick of the "we've tricked people into trusting us despite our ulterior motives" argument because that's what people do
all the time. It's how we, as a species,
live. Everyone's always got their own agenda. Every instance of human interaction involves deception and/or manipulation, at least on some level, and we're just going to have to learn to live with that.
And yes, we hacked Joan's voicemail, if only to hear the threats that the Cabal were leaving there. Uttering threats? A criminal offense. So you could call us quits on the matter of the voicemail.
...But frankly, Ed, I'm a little disappointed that you of all people seem to forgive and forget, pretty easily, the fact that these are the people who drove your friend
out of his home, forcing him to go on the run, with their threatening letters. Threatening Joe was a
bonding activity for them. We're not on that level, and we won't be, no matter how many voicemails we hack, how many people we manipulate, how many angry fanfictions we write.
We don't deliberately make innocent people feel unsafe. We don't falsify court evidence-- another criminal offense-- in order to make a heartwarming moment seem like disgusting villainy, thereby wrongly imprisoning another innocent person. We don't murder innocent people, in order to frame
more innocent people for the crime simply because we dislike them.
I don't care what platitudes Morgan and her ilk spout, because actions speak louder and words. And their actions, and ours, clearly declare that
we're not like them.
EdwardTheAwesome wrote:Well guess what? The fact that Morgan stopped by the chat today tells me that they are trying to correct things too.
Well, no. All it tells me is that they're willing to take the next step towards fooling and manipulating us-- and, from what you and others have said, it looks like it's working.
EdwardTheAwesome wrote:Morgan said that she is willing to make concessions. She is willing to stop her pursuit of Every Last Fictional to keep them here, and let them go if they want to go. Has Mr. A been willing to make any concessions beyond giving us an AMA? I don't think the two even compare. So for all of you guys saying the Cabal characters aren't changing in their time here: yo. Nothing I've ever read or heard about Morgan mentioned her being willing to compromise.
What the hell does it give us that she's said she's willing to stop trying to convince Every Last Fictional to stay, when, by her own admission, they've
already contacted
all of them? That's like one country agreeing to a ceasefire right after they've bombed the hell out of the other. I fail to see what we stand to gain, or what she stands to lose, from this so-called "compromise".
Mr. A's given us Gurt. He's given us the fictional Metaguards. He gave us answers, when pressed, about that letter, and he even
apologized for trying to conceal it from us initially. Incidentally, an apology is one thing the Cabal
still haven't offered, not even for the most obvious thing-- i.e., what they did to Joe.
Keep in mind that Mr. A, for all his infinite instantiations and near-infinite knowledge, is confined to the Void. There's not much he
can do, physically, without help from his real-world agents, such as
us. The Cabal, on the other hand, have already shown that they can do plenty, and little enough of it good.
Oh, and yo. Nothing I've ever read or heard about Morgan mentioned her being unwilling to flat-out lie in order to get what she wants.
TL;DR: I'm disappointed in you, Ed. And I side with A over the Cabal more than ever right now. Anyone planning to look for those wall pieces-- I can't stop you. But you do so at the risk of your world and mine.