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At risk of bringing up an argument all over again, I would just like to weigh in on this.

I do mistrust Morgan and note every place where she has a potential to be lying to me. However, I do that for everyone. You can tell me it isn't healthy, but that is merely how my mind works and it won't be changing any time soon. I recognize that she is a human being, or at least a sentient being since she is a Composite Character and some of her stories made her a fairy or similar creatures. I do recognize that there seems to be an ever increasing possibility that she really is being open and truthful about us. Of course, she is a masterful manipulator, so I can never be certain, but I am operating currently as though I believe her. The rest of the Cabal I cannot speak for. Moriarty IS a murder suspect, though I must remind you that it remains only a suspicion at this point, even if the narrative laws point towards him alone, and Juan has just committed a very serious crime, for which I fully intend to see him punished one way or another. As for Erik, I do not believe I have interacted with him enough to say anything, and I am not familiar with his original character in the first place.

I understand that you are fed up with my actions, Adell, but again, I will continue to analyze everything from every direction I possibly can. That makes my actions complex, but as I have told you before it is simply how I think and I am doing nothing more than outlining my thoughts. I agree that the secretiveness is probably overdoing it, as I have covered in the discussion of the wall fragments. However, at the time I was working with what appeared to be the consensus, knowing that if I did so then I could de-classify things at any time, thereby keeping all parties happy.

Finally, while it isn't really related, Rousseau was PAINFULLY naive. A smart guy, but I can barely stand reading his writing. I cannot reconcile his claim of a tendency towards good with my observations of human history. So no, I don't think he was right. At all.

As a warning, I'm probably going to be pro-Cabal for a while. My apologies, but on the bright side, by doing this, I can get more information from them, which will be compulsorily shared to all of you. Mwa. Ha. Ha.

Genndy Oda C.O.G. wrote:As a warning, I'm probably going to be pro-Cabal for a while. My apologies, but on the bright side, by doing this, I can get more information from them, which will be compulsorily shared to all of you. Mwa. Ha. Ha.

<.< Yeah I'm sure they'll trust you when you leave messages like this.

Adell wrote:

Genndy Oda C.O.G. wrote:As a warning, I'm probably going to be pro-Cabal for a while. My apologies, but on the bright side, by doing this, I can get more information from them, which will be compulsorily shared to all of you. Mwa. Ha. Ha.

<.< Yeah I'm sure they'll trust you when you leave messages like this.

that's a part of the conspiracy. Now we expect it an-(random paranoid gibberish)

eli_gone_crazy wrote:that's a part of the conspiracy. Now we expect it an-(random paranoid gibberish)

Dammit. Are we going to have to resurrect Happy Wacky Fun Time now? Because I feel ready for some Happy, Wacky, Fun.

Re: the latest response regading the prosecutor, Eli.

I do think we might as well ASK the guy exactly what happened to the prosecutor. An axplanation from that quarter would be VERY appreciated.

I concur

You've been meaning to have us ask Mr. Administrator. We oblige.

He decided to play Ace Attorney.
His word is that things will be fine eventually.

Okay, so Morgan emailed me requesting that I take the wall piece in LA.

Her message raises concerns of "something stir[ring]" on the other side, which is frightening when combined with Mr. A's messages about characters leaving their stories and going he knows not where.

There are three wall pieces left. If I took the one from LA we'd still have two. I wouldn't be resealing the wall. We'd still be able to refictionalize characters before taking the other pieces. I would make Mr. A angry, and I'd rather avoid that, but it's not like he can actually harm me.

I'd like to get some thoughts from you guys. And I'd rather not go after a wall piece while Qara's not around to weigh in because I know she's against it and it feels slightly like I'd be going behind her back. But unless I significantly change my plans I have to pursue this today, or tomorrow at the latest. Otherwise I have to wait until the 18th at the earliest.

First, Morgana's nervousness shouldn't be considered an argument, since she has as much infomation as we do - basically, she now knows that something is afoot, and she's worried, just like us.

To be honest, that impending event makes me even more nervous. It seems we are in for Something Ex Machina - if anything, this will derail all our current efforts if it's as big as we think it is. And if it comes before we refic the Cabal, sealing the wall may be our only option (which, if Mr. A is right about the collapse, means that we're screwed anyway).

I need to do some damage control.

If you want Qara's input maybe we should try sending a tweet to her, we might be able to reach her that way.
About the wall piece, I'm not really against it, but I'd prefer we get it after refictionalizing DQ, but since by that time you won't be able to get it, then I guess I'm fine with whatever is decided.

Okay, I think I'm going to go get the wall piece today. People seem to support the idea, and I take comfort in knowing that we still have pieces left as a safety net.

Forgive me, Mr. A.

Get it, and scan it, if you don't mind. I'd like to see another Administrative meltdown.

We'll still have a 2 piece safety net... And we have intel from the Cat that as long as 1 is untouched we will be able to refictionalize everyone we manage to get the Echoes on. So all in all I don't think it is too bad, but we're cutting close now, another such event and we'll be at the point to decide for keeps what we'll do...

I'm afraid, to be honest. Afraid that getting these pieces might be the wrong call. I did support the first one for the intel on the sealing process. But for this second one I'm down to neutral. It's not harmful to our objectives by itself, but we also learn nothing new (unless this triggers an unforeseen event, of course)...

Well, that's what I think at least... I can't cast a vote on this given what I'm thinking, so I'll abstain from chipping in on this one decision.

I had a thought re: the wall pieces.
Goddammit guys, neither side is taking any action.

Seriously. Mr. A yells at us on twitter - that's understandable, because he can't manipulate the reality directly - but he promised some repercussions, and haven't shown any. If he can counteract the piece retrieval, why the hell doesn't he?

The Cabal's inaction doesn't make any sense at all. Ok, Morgana said that their jobs prevent the hunt for the pieces. You know, that's like saying "I won't save my ass because I have to do my homework". They didn't even have a job 2 months ago, not to mention that it's established that they all can travel a lot.

A little more, and I'll stop trying to apply common sense to it.

Re Eli's recent exchange: Has anyone tried pointing out to her that she's a villain in OUR world, too, right now? That sending her to a new story where she gets to be the "good guy" would, by her STATED/SUPPOSED reasoning, be BETTER than staying here? (I know she'll reject the suggestion, but it's a huge stupid fallacy in her logic.)

Also re Dryu's redacted exchange-- having actually SEEN what he wrote, I don't feel it actually violates Rule 3. I actually think it was, well, aside from the obvious funny, it seems... considerate. Keep in mind that medical advances since Arthurian times have been great, and Morgan's probably not that aware of what's out there. She could use a simple, unintrusive word to the wise like he gave. Frankly, I feel SHE was the one to violate Rule 3, by rudely rejecting his advice instead of thanking him for the warning.

Qara-Xuan Zenith wrote:Re Eli's recent exchange: Has anyone tried pointing out to her that she's a villain in OUR world, too, right now? That sending her to a new story where she gets to be the "good guy" would, by her STATED/SUPPOSED reasoning, be BETTER than staying here? (I know she'll reject the suggestion, but it's a huge stupid fallacy in her logic.)

I know it's going to be hard for you to accept it, Qara, but she may just be turning over a new leaf. Yes, when she first got here, she started doing things like sending death threats and leaving threatening messages. But since, she's been doing nothing but trying to help. And although her motivation is still to stay, I honestly don't think she wants to cause any more trouble, nor do I believe that her actions are in the wrong. She's doing a good job being a good person as of late. I still think sending the fictionals back is something we should be doing, but I'm not going to fault Morgan. She's not a bad person.

WackyMeetsPractical wrote:

Qara-Xuan Zenith wrote:Re Eli's recent exchange: Has anyone tried pointing out to her that she's a villain in OUR world, too, right now? That sending her to a new story where she gets to be the "good guy" would, by her STATED/SUPPOSED reasoning, be BETTER than staying here? (I know she'll reject the suggestion, but it's a huge stupid fallacy in her logic.)

I know it's going to be hard for you to accept it, Qara, but she may just be turning over a new leaf. Yes, when she first got here, she started doing things like sending death threats and leaving threatening messages. But since, she's been doing nothing but trying to help. And although her motivation is still to stay, I honestly don't think she wants to cause any more trouble, nor do I believe that her actions are in the wrong. She's doing a good job being a good person as of late. I still think sending the fictionals back is something we should be doing, but I'm not going to fault Morgan. She's not a bad person.

Yes, from my view point she ISN'T a villain here. At all. She's become very passive over all, it's not even really fair to call her an antagonist at this point. Her reasoning makes sense to me.

Qara-Xuan Zenith wrote:Also re Dryu's redacted exchange-- having actually SEEN what he wrote, I don't feel it actually violates Rule 3. I actually think it was, well, aside from the obvious funny, it seems... considerate. Keep in mind that medical advances since Arthurian times have been great, and Morgan's probably not that aware of what's out there. She could use a simple, unintrusive word to the wise like he gave. Frankly, I feel SHE was the one to violate Rule 3, by rudely rejecting his advice instead of thanking him for the warning.

I respect your opinion, Qara, but this is my call to make. Sorry.

Morgan wrote:Do you know that two of them end their stories dead? Don Juan remembers hell. James remembers falling from that waterfall. This world is literally giving them new life, and your group wants to send them back to their graves before they have the chance to "go and experience all the world has to offer?"

Ok. What?
Can anyone tell me how can they cross the wall, being DEAD?

Dryunya wrote:

Morgan wrote:Do you know that two of them end their stories dead? Don Juan remembers hell. James remembers falling from that waterfall. This world is literally giving them new life, and your group wants to send them back to their graves before they have the chance to "go and experience all the world has to offer?"

Ok. What?
Can anyone tell me how can they cross the wall, being DEAD?

It's not like time travel, you know. They may have well experienced their whole stories and still be capable of arriving from the wall alive.

Adell wrote:

Dryunya wrote:

Morgan wrote:Do you know that two of them end their stories dead? Don Juan remembers hell. James remembers falling from that waterfall. This world is literally giving them new life, and your group wants to send them back to their graves before they have the chance to "go and experience all the world has to offer?"

Ok. What?
Can anyone tell me how can they cross the wall, being DEAD?

It's not like time travel, you know. They may have well experienced their whole stories and still be capable of arriving from the wall alive.

Right. It's like how Morgan has described her memories. She can remember bits and pieces from various versions of her stories. So it's very possible that these 3 individuals didn't play through their stories chronologically and got pulled through at a specific moment, but are instead just representations of their characters with full memories of their stories.

Their stories do seem to differ from the other character's accounts of their memories, but I think that's just something we have to figure out. Maybe the defictionalization process isn't the same for everybody? Maybe it's random. Maybe it has something to do with the characters. Who knows? We may not learn these answers until the game is over.

I use Occam's razor and, assuming the meta-travel effects are consistent, call bullshit on Morgana's words. I may accept her claims about her Multiple Choice Past, but travelling from AFTER the character's death is, most likely, impossible. The character is dead. His timeline has ended. No one to travel. And even if it is possible, why do the only characters who remember dying happened to belong to Cabal? We encountered a lot of characters, and no one remembered their deaths. What makes the Cabal so special?

Dryunya wrote:I use Occam's razor and, assuming the meta-travel effects are consistent, call bullshit on Morgana's words. I may accept her claims about her Multiple Choice Past, but travelling from AFTER the character's death is, most likely, impossible. The character is dead. His timeline has ended. No one to travel. And even if it is possible, why do the only characters who remember dying happened to belong to Cabal? We encountered a lot of characters, and no one remembered their deaths. What makes the Cabal so special?

This is a very good point. Sweeney Todd, and Romeo and Juliet off the top of my head explicitly did not remember dying at the end of their stories.

And (iirc) in the story, Holmes died WITH Moriarty. Makes no sense that one of them remembers that and the other DOESN'T.