General Echo discussion (concept)

[Qara-Xuan Zenith]

I don't think there's a more appropriate place to discuss this, so new thread...

Is it possible, anyone think, for a character to consciously create an echo? Or follow some formula that will result in one being formed?

Because if so, then Peter, for example, would welcome being told how, since it's the first step in getting him home.

The witch would also benefit from the knowledge, though since she's already got two echoes, she shouldn't make herself more. Could she force other characters to generate echoes? That would be an interesting experiment.

[The Finch]

I honestly think TOUCHING an important area of reality would create a reaction with the fictional character. The character would react with the location, interfering with the RW, which in turn causes a little bit of the Wall to crack, causing the Echo.

My opinion.

[Qara-Xuan Zenith]

What do you mean by "an important area of reality"? Because the characters are touching things all the time, without a continuous echo trail.

[The Finch]

What do you mean by "an important area of reality"? Because the characters are touching things all the time, without a continuous echo trail.

An important area the symbolizes with their stories.

At least, that's what I think...

[Qara-Xuan Zenith]

Wait, but the Witch was in Kansas-- important story area-- from the beginning, and only got an echo there now. I don't think that's it.

[H22]

Not necessarily relevant, but what about Pan's comment about 'older soft places'. They MUST have been created before at least some of these characters came over

[Qara-Xuan Zenith]

So you're suggesting that when the characters interact with (or, as Finch said, just touch) these "older softer places", that causes an echo? Interesting theory. (Though in that case we've got nothing to tell Pan that he's not already working on himself)

[H22]

Maybe some places are more susceptible to echoes. Pan (and, by extension, us) need to find these weak spots to create an echo. A bit like the witch's wormhole There are 2/3 echoes in NY; clearly there the creative spirit is so strong the soft spots are created

[Scarab]

Maybe some places are more susceptible to echoes. Pan (and, by extension, us) need to find these weak spots to create an echo. A bit like the witch's wormhole There are 2/3 echoes in NY; clearly there the creative spirit is so strong the soft spots are created

This is qutie a believable ieda and would fit in with what Pan said. For exmaple, might the HOME of an author be considered a susceptible Echo area for their characters' universe?

I mean, in terms of how Echoes are created... Mister A said they're caused by 'tropelke' behaviour on part of the characters, right? And if the characters were aware of the tropes, and DELIBERATELY trying to invoke them... wouldn't that come across as false, or fake, and ergo not a genuine example of Echo-creating behaviour?

Remember how Tom, Dana and Zack often seemed to successfully create videos detailing the trope of the Week which Mister A was clearly happy enough with to keep funding them, even though they often believed they'd failed? What if that was because their behaviour had BEEN in the spirit of the tropes they were demonstrating, even if they didn't realise it, and being involved in Echo Chamber, and with Mister A, meant the tropes they acted out unknowingly were 'incororpated into their lives', thus fictionalising them. , When their videos sometimes ended up being 'just people talking', that wasn't enough to make Mister A's still obscurely purposed plan work.

I think being aware of the trope you're trying to recreate is... an innately flawed way of trying to infiltrate them into reality.

[Qara-Xuan Zenith]

But if WE try to get them to invoke a trope, without them knowing what they're doing...
Crazy Enough to Work?

[Sicon112]

But if WE try to get them to invoke a trope, without them knowing what they're doing...
Crazy Enough to Work?

Well, it's what Mr. A did...

[Scarab]

But if WE try to get them to invoke a trope, without them knowing what they're doing...
Crazy Enough to Work?

Well, it's what Mr. A did...

Yeah I was thinking that, too, we ARE people who create stuff, after all, we should be able to nudge things, hense the idea of refictionalisation.
Hm... you know this makes me wonder exactly how they got Cinderella back through. Did they give her the Happily Ever After trope?

Mister A/Cinderella New Ship!

[Qara-Xuan Zenith]

Mister A/Cinderella New Ship!

Oh, that ship's been sailing for a while now. Administrator Prime + Cinderella = OT(oo) That's my best representation of the sideways-8 infinity sign.

[Scarab]

Mister A/Cinderella New Ship!

Oh, that ship's been sailing for a while now. Administrator Prime + Cinderella = OT(oo) That's my best representation of the sideways-8 infinity sign.

She'd probably have to give him lessons in princeliness, though. He needs a certain ammount of practise when it comes to all the social graces, I bet he doesn't keven know how to sword fight, or kill dragons... or which fork to use and when at a dinner party.

[H22]

My theory:

Echoes are where, as someone said, a character acts like a trope. When a character leaves an author's mind, the fourth wall deteriorates when they cross it. So when there are places lots of characters and tropes have come through, the 4th wall deteriorates. Where the gap between reality and fiction is merged, a trope comes through. All of the places where echoes come through is where writers lived and wrote. [Off Topic: EVERY SINGLE TROPE has been in America, but the Witch is the only American character.] Pan's soft places are presumably where the tropes and characters came through and weakened the 4th Wall.

[Victin]

My theory: (Wall of Text)
Echoes are where, as someone said, a character acts like a trope. When a character leaves an author's mind, the fourth wall deteriorates when they cross it. So when there are places lots of characters and tropes have come through, the 4th wall deteriorates. Where the gap between reality and fiction is merged, a trope comes through. All of the places where echoes come through is where writers lived and wrote. [Off Topic: EVERY SINGLE TROPE has been in America, but the Witch is the only American character.] Pan's soft places are presumably where the tropes and characters came through and weakened the 4th Wall.

Actually there were the mysteries in Europe. And that's not a wall of text.

[H22]

I hit submit by accident before I finished. I didn' think the Echoes were in Europe

[Qara-Xuan Zenith]

Reviving this thread because I realized I haven't posted my WMG anywhere....
People have been noticing what look like Mr A faces in odd places in a number of the echo comics.
My theory is that these are instances of the void "showing through" the cracks in the fourth wall, which are present at echo locations; these bits of void end up looking like Mr A, since he essentially IS the void.

[Dryunya]

Since we keep getting those faces, I've asked Mr. A about them.

UPD: He doesn't know.

[SOHCAHTOA]

I have my own theory, but since I already posted it on the chatroom, and am too lazy to write it all again, plus the fact I don't believe in it myself, I've decided I won't be writing it here.

I say we should wait for Mr. A answer on this. I doubt anyone can guess right why his face is showing up.

EDIT: Was writing this before Dryu updated his post.

EDIT2: This pratically disproves MY theory.