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Okay now than follow me here because this theory is going to be the craziest by far. What if the fictional world is bleeding into our world in a much less than physical way. Think about it. Our Belgian friend has been involved with many mysteries that sound generally like the plot to a thrilling novel. Our Knight is caught in what would make for a very funny comedy movie.

Maybe the cracks in the wall bleed scenarios as much as they do characters.

Lordxana0 wrote:Okay now than follow me here because this theory is going to be the craziest by far. What if the fictional world is bleeding into our world in a much less than physical way. Think about it. Our Belgian friend has been involved with many mysteries that sound generally like the plot to a thrilling novel. Our Knight is caught in what would make for a very funny comedy movie.

Maybe the cracks in the wall bleed scenarios as much as they do characters.

I'm pretty sure we've been operating under pretty much this assumption the whole time. After all, Mr. A already proved this could be done via Echo Chamber, so I figure this theory is pretty solid.

Yeah, we've already kinda been using this logic in trying to solve Hercule's latest murder.

This does make sense. It seems far from coincidence that our investigators get caught up in murder and intrigue, while Don lollygags around Seattle. Each ones scenario still fitting into their genre, even after crossing over.

What's Cheshire's genre? Adventure?

Goldude wrote:What's Cheshire's genre? Adventure?

Nonsense. Or alternatively, fantasy.

Comedy maybe?

Chesire strikes me more as a fantasy adventure type. Possibly with a bit of surrealism.

This does make sense. It seems far from coincidence that our investigators get caught up in murder and intrigue, while Don lollygags around Seattle. Each ones scenario still fitting into their genre, even after crossing over.

It also makes it possible for us to predict how some things will go. We can figure out what characters and even people are going to do based upon traditional tropes.

This is a brilliant theory-one of the best I've heard so far.

Holmes and Poirot are caught in a scenario which could be found in a Doyle short story or a Agatha Christie novel.

Don Quixote is in a scenario which mixes comedy and his novel together.

As for Cheshire, he's in a Wonderland scenario- posting riddles.

We could use the tropes to help them or even predict what's happening next.

We could use the tropes to help them or even predict what's happening next.

Exactly And heck, who knows better about these kind of trends than we do?

So take Cinderella for example - if you were a mistreated stepdaughter used as a cleaning lady who ran away from the ball where you met your future husband (who may or may not be a version of the prince who chops off heads) and ended up in th real world... where would you go?

I think using tropes is the best way to go about solving Poirot's case. Instead of looking a it rationally, who would have done it if it were in an Agatha Christie novel.

Scarab wrote:

We could use the tropes to help them or even predict what's happening next.

Exactly And heck, who knows better about these kind of trends than we do?

So take Cinderella for example - if you were a mistreated stepdaughter used as a cleaning lady who ran away from the ball where you met your future husband (who may or may not be a version of the prince who chops off heads) and ended up in th real world... where would you go?

Aha.

Go to find a job as a Cleaning Lady, end up on Fifth Avenue, get employed to an absolute 50 year old bitch who only cares about looking 29 again, and what's going on in Armani and gossip, as well as two ugly asshole sisters who are like the same as their mother.

Then get invited to a huge party with the rich and famous, because an old beggar appeared at the doorstep and handed you an awesome dress, become the head turner, meet a prince, then run away because someone recognised you.

Then leave your high heeled shoe behind, and eventually get married. While recording everything on an iPhone.

The End. Oh, and the bitchy mother and asshole sisters get their social reputation ruined due to an embarrassing incident with Paris Hilton, and are sent to a mosquito infested dirty village in South America, where all the locals smoke pot. As well as that, there is a fashion shop selling clothes made out of Rags used to clean pits full of poo, and there is a beauty treatment centre in which they turn you into a peasant. With warts, bad breath and generally smelling of poo. And their house is the biggest one- because it was formerly the public toilet.

Goldude wrote:What's Cheshire's genre? Adventure?

Technically speaking, I want to say that the original Alice in Wonderland was math-based satire. Not sure how that helps.

Although Wikipedia gives its genre as 'literary nonsense,' which is apparently a thing.

The Quixote movie would be hilarious.

It would be a huge success at the box office and with critics, win an Oscar, and we tropers could make a page filled with comedy tropes.

As well as that, we could pass it off as a comedy movie, without telling anyone that all the events were real.

Don Quixote- The Movie. Hmmmm...

The Quixote movie would be hilarious.
It would be a huge success at the box office and with critics, win an Oscar, and we tropers could make a page filled with comedy tropes.
As well as that, we could pass it off as a comedy movie, without telling anyone that all the events were real.
Don Quixote- The Movie. Hmmmm...

Heck yeah. Although now he's here in the real world it feels a little mean if we laugh at his misfortune . Then again he usualy seems at least successful in his delusions, whatever they may actually be showing him, so as long as he's happy...

Is there a movie for this guy somewhere already? I would be very surprised if there wasn't.

I don't think that the wall is bleeding scenarios, but characters (as the one I call "Moriarty") create such scenarios.

The Wild West Pyro wrote:The Quixote movie would be hilarious.

It would be a huge success at the box office and with critics, win an Oscar, and we tropers could make a page filled with comedy tropes.

As well as that, we could pass it off as a comedy movie, without telling anyone that all the events were real.

Don Quixote- The Movie. Hmmmm...

Oh please, make it happens Hollywood.

Terry Gilliam failed at making a Don Quixote movie, which is detailed in the documentary "Lost in La Mancha". I'm not sure if Don Quixote is a cursed book, or if Terry Gilliam is just a cursed director.

Well there was the animated movie. Also remember to stay on topic. Don't mean to be a hardass but my topics get derailed very easily.

You're not being hardass, I can understand not wanting another derailed thread.
RE our two detectives, I agree with NeverSlender. I think the best thing is to approach the situation as written in a novel. What kind of twists and turns did Doyle and Christie employ? These sort of things could be helpful.

YankeeWhite wrote:You're not being hardass, I can understand not wanting another derailed thread.
RE our two detectives, I agree with NeverSlender. I think the best thing is to approach the situation as written in a novel. What kind of twists and turns did Doyle and Christie employ? These sort of things could be helpful.

I've got to say I've never read a Christie/Doyle novel either. The only experience I have with traditional Holmes is watching the old Hound of the Baskevilles film. Sicon is our most knowledgeable Holmes... ite. I hope the Wicked Witch becomes more important, I watched that film so many times as a child.

YankeeWhite wrote:You're not being hardass, I can understand not wanting another derailed thread.
RE our two detectives, I agree with NeverSlender. I think the best thing is to approach the situation as written in a novel. What kind of twists and turns did Doyle and Christie employ? These sort of things could be helpful.

Doyle didn't really include twists, so much as never revealed evidence until after revealing the killer.

And Christie liked to use surprise endings, for example, the one in her best novel, The Murder of Roger Ackroyd and the one in the Mousetrap.

As well as that, NeverSlender, go to your local bookshop and buy some Christie and Doyle books. I would suggest reading these:

Dame Agatha Christie:
Murder on the Orient Express
The Murder of Roger Ackroyd
Death in the Clouds
They're all good Poirot novels.

Sir Arthur Conan Doyle:
The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes
The Memoirs of Sherlock Holmes
The Return of Sherlock Holmes
The Hound of the Baskervilles

Sicon is the best for Holmes... But, from what I've read from Poirot's novels, his MO is mostly talking around.
Sitting down in complete silence and then throwing pages upon pages of exposition. Pretty much the solo type investigator... Since this board does not have spoiler tags I'm not sure I should talk about Agatha's favorite tricks...

I use the next-to-bottom-right cyan font color, it's almost unseen on the forum's background. A makeshift spoilertag, I'd say.

Also add a spoiler warning in
BIG HUGE RED LETTERS