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So, we've learned from Quixote that the characters cannot read their own stories. What about adaptations?

For example, would Holmes be able to watch Sherlock? I'd think that it's far enough from the originals that he could theoretically watch it.

Alternatively, if they can't watch their own adaptations, what would they see? I think that'd still be interesting to know. Same goes for audiobooks.

I'm pretty sure Holmes will be able to watch Sherlock.

NeverSlender wrote:I'm pretty sure Holmes will be able to watch Sherlock.

Well, I vote we should find out. Either:

a) He doesn't see anything and we learn something; or
b) We get to see his commentary on it.

I, for one, like either option.

I think asking such questions is just cruel to the puppetmasters.

Dryunya wrote:I think asking such questions is just cruel to the puppetmasters.

C'mon, Quixote watched it, and we found out his opinions on dominatrices AND lesbians! Who knows what we could learn about Holmes?

Dryunya wrote:I think asking such questions is just cruel to the puppetmasters.

Which is exactly why we should do it.

Dryunya wrote:I think asking such questions is just cruel to the puppetmasters.

Then it's only fair to ask!

Make Holmes watch the 2009 movie. I mean, it was awesome/hilarious, but I don't know how HE will react.

You're assuming that no-one can read his own story because we've discovered that Don Quixote can't read his own story. But I've heard a theory somewhere that might disprove all that.

Basically the theory was that Don Quixote couldn't read his own story because it would cause spoilers for him, or drive him insane. Could be, but then what about Cheshire? He's as omnipresent as he is mad. He might be able to read his own story, due to him possibly already knowing what's going to happen and being, well, mad...

Like I said, it's just a theory I read somewhere, but if we can get Cheshire to read his own story, then that might just prove it.

RotavatoR wrote:You're assuming that no-one can read his own story because we've discovered that Don Quixote can't read his own story. But I've heard a theory somewhere that might disprove all that.

Basically the theory was that Don Quixote couldn't read his own story because it would cause spoilers for him, or drive him insane. Could be, but then what about Cheshire? He's as omnipresent as he is mad. He might be able to read his own story, due to him possibly already knowing what's going to happen and being, well, mad...

Like I said, it's just a theory I read somewhere, but if we can get Cheshire to read his own story, then that might just prove it.

I don't think we can get Cheshire to do anything.

NeverSlender wrote:

RotavatoR wrote:You're assuming that no-one can read his own story because we've discovered that Don Quixote can't read his own story. But I've heard a theory somewhere that might disprove all that.

Basically the theory was that Don Quixote couldn't read his own story because it would cause spoilers for him, or drive him insane. Could be, but then what about Cheshire? He's as omnipresent as he is mad. He might be able to read his own story, due to him possibly already knowing what's going to happen and being, well, mad...

Like I said, it's just a theory I read somewhere, but if we can get Cheshire to read his own story, then that might just prove it.

I don't think we can get Cheshire to do anything.

Might be pertinent to try though. The cat is a reality warper in a sense though, so if anybody could read his own story (well the story he's from) then it'd be him, and I'm not sure if it'd matter whether the others could or not. We really need more than just him as an example though. Could we talk the others into taking a look in their own books?

I think it would make sense to let the detectives meet, first. I'm not sure how to bring it up to the rest of the characters.

Dryunya wrote:I think it would make sense to let the detectives meet, first. I'm not sure how to bring it up to the rest of the characters.

Okay, going off of that, new plan: Get Holmes, Poirot, and Quixote together, and have them all watch adaptations of their stories.

Flitterbie wrote:

Dryunya wrote:I think it would make sense to let the detectives meet, first. I'm not sure how to bring it up to the rest of the characters.

Okay, going off of that, new plan: Get Holmes, Poirot, and Quixote together, and have them all watch adaptations of their stories.

You guys realize that this is not getting us any closer to the wall or knowing anything about it and how to fix the situation, right? LET'S KEEP AT IT! Watch ALL the adaptations!

how about we have Poirot to read Sherlock's stories while Sherlock reads his stories? That would be interesting, meta-wise.

Victin wrote:how about we have Poirot to read Sherlock's stories while Sherlock reads his stories? That would be interesting, meta-wise.

They'd probably each be hyper-critical of the others detective skills.

Victin wrote:how about we have Poirot to read Sherlock's stories while Sherlock reads his stories? That would be interesting, meta-wise.

But thinking about it... Didn't Sherlock lampshade that he knows about his stories and all that in his reveal post? Saying we have a wrong and awful idea of his character?

Pixelmage wrote:

Victin wrote:how about we have Poirot to read Sherlock's stories while Sherlock reads his stories? That would be interesting, meta-wise.

But thinking about it... Didn't Sherlock lampshade that he knows about his stories and all that in his reveal post? Saying we have a wrong and awful idea of his character?

He just said that the common interpretation of Holmes is inaccurate.

So, who's up for MST3K, fictite style?

Hmmmm... apparently Holmes KNOWS about his Stories.

Why?

BECAUSE IN HIS WORLD, DOCTOR WATSON IS HIS ROOMMATE AND HE WRITES THE STORIES.

We could have Poirot read Holmes's Stories, then Holmes read Poirot's Stories, then Poirot or Holmes read to Quixote.

Likely, Poirot will praise some bits of Holmes, but then criticize some methods used. Holmes will do the same, although he might not be impressed due to the lack of deduction. Then Quixote, if he hears his stories, it is likely he will get very happy and excited, and decide to use it as proof that he is a REAL knight, who has actually fought giants.

Ask Poirot to read these: The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes, The Memoirs of Sherlock Holmes and The Return of Sherlock Holmes.

Ask Holmes to read these: The Murder of Roger Ackroyd, Murder on the Orient Express and Death in the Clouds.

As well as that, ask Holmes and Poirot to try and find a copy of the actual Don Quixote. Or will a simplified version do as well?

Or, we could ask Holmes to watch Basil Rathbone's movies, Poirot to watch Agatha Christie's Poirot, and Quixote to watch the animated movie.

The Wild West Pyro wrote:Then Quixote, if he hears his stories, it is likely he will get very happy and excited, and decide to use it as proof that he is a REAL knight, who has actually fought giants.

The only problem with that theory is that the opposite is true. Don Quixote never fought real giants in his story. In his story, he was not a real knight. He was just a delusional man who couldn't tell reality from fiction. It's from his stories that we got the phrase "tilting at windmills". If he read his stories, he would be faced with the fact that he's not a hero and that everyone thinks he's a joke.

WackyMeetsPractical wrote:

The Wild West Pyro wrote:Then Quixote, if he hears his stories, it is likely he will get very happy and excited, and decide to use it as proof that he is a REAL knight, who has actually fought giants.

The only problem with that theory is that the opposite is true. Don Quixote never fought real giants in his story. In his story, he was not a real knight. He was just a delusional man who couldn't tell reality from fiction. It's from his stories that we got the phrase "tilting at windmills". If he read his stories, he would be faced with the fact that he's not a hero and that everyone thinks he's a joke.

Oh, lord, the poor guy I don't think I could cope with a mental freak out on that level.
In the event he finds out, we could always bring up the fact that if nothing else his stories were interesting and fun and he entertained people and that secretly, even though we thought it was silly to charge at windmills thinking they were dragons, a tiny little part of us was kind of rooting for him, because everyone wants to believe that kind of thing is possible, deep down?

Hell, now that reality and fictional is breaking down... maybe he was technically always RIGHT. Dragons DID exist, just... not in his world. remember in Doctor Who, how Van gogh was picking up psychic echoes from the Pandorica all his life?

He will become rather depressed, but then, once we bring up that he's a hero and remembered in Spain, he'll be happy again.

Just don't bring out any books about King Arthur, Ivanhoe or El Cid, though. He'll go even more crazy.