The "sending them back" dilemma

[NeverSlender]

Just gonna say something. Everyone is getting excited by this solution, and it is a good one. But how do we actually go about carryng it out, and how can we be sure it's worked?

Also, someone posted on the timeline we would be making a new fourth wall. That's not right, there is only one wall, and it's cracked. If we fictionalise the ARG it could fall straight back out.

[WackyMeetsPractical]

That's one reason why I never got behind the 'fictionalize the ARG' plan. We don't even know if it's physically possible. We don't know what's possible yet. It's an interesting plan, but one that we may be unable to carry out.

[Victin]

We can just do what was done in Echo Chamber.
WMG - Maybe that was Mr. Cake plan all along.

[NeverSlender]

We can just do what was done in Echo Chamber.
WMG - Maybe that was Mr. Cake plan all along.

How?

[WackyMeetsPractical]

We can just do what was done in Echo Chamber.
WMG - Maybe that was Mr. Cake plan all along.

I don't know what they did in Echo Chamber. I don't watch it.

[Scarab]

Just gonna say something. Everyone is getting excited by this soltion, and it is a good one. But how do we actually go about carryng it out, and how can we be sure it's worked?

Also, someone posted on the timeline we would be making a new fourth wall. That's not right, there is only one wall, and it's cracked. If we fictionalise the ARG it could fall straight back out.

That's one reason why I never got behind the 'fictionalize the ARG' plan. We don't even know if it's physically possible. We don't know what's possible yet. It's an interesting plan, but one that we may be unable to carry out.

True, but at this moment we don't know if ANYTHING is really possible, we're all just working on what little informationwe have.
I kind of hope we're due some kind of... I don't know, evidence. Some sign of the world actually being interferred with in a way we can record and try and do something about. Right now I don't een feel as if we're being effective damage control.

Victin wrote:
We can just do what was done in Echo Chamber.
WMG - Maybe that was Mr. Cake plan all along.

How?

Your guess is as good as ours, I still don't know why exactly he wanted us all on this in the first place... we're probably just meant to be gophers doing all the manual work because he and his folks can't actually enter the real world or something.

[Pixelmage]

Just gonna say something. Everyone is getting excited by this soltion, and it is a good one. But how do we actually go about carryng it out, and how can we be sure it's worked?

Also, someone posted on the timeline we would be making a new fourth wall. That's not right, there is only one wall, and it's cracked. If we fictionalise the ARG it could fall straight back out.

On the timeline... Someone must fix it. Preferably the one who posted it there...

On the other topic. We don't know. All we know is that it's a sound idea and one we like. We can't do anything to actually carry out the plan now. So, we wait. When we get to the point of acting to send and seal we'll see what we can do about it. If it'll work or not remains to be seen.

[NeverSlender]

Just gonna say something. Everyone is getting excited by this soltion, and it is a good one. But how do we actually go about carryng it out, and how can we be sure it's worked?

Also, someone posted on the timeline we would be making a new fourth wall. That's not right, there is only one wall, and it's cracked. If we fictionalise the ARG it could fall straight back out.

On the timeline... Someone must fix it. Preferably the one who posted it there...

On the other topic. We don't know. All we know is that it's a sound idea and one we like. We can't do anything to actually carry out the plan now. So, we wait. When we get to the point of acting to send and seal we'll see what we can do about it. If it'll work or not remains to be seen.

I don't think that'll work. How long did it take on Echo Chamber to make Tom and Dana fictional? Two seasons posted over a long period of time. And that was just two people. So far we have ten characters with god knows how many on the way. If it gets to the point where we have to choose between them staying or going, we won't have that amount of time.

[Victin]

We can just do what was done in Echo Chamber.
WMG - Maybe that was Mr. Cake plan all along.

I don't know what they did in Echo Chamber. I don't watch it.

Me neither.

[Dryunya]

How?

Laconic: we drop the Suspension Of Disbelief.

Detailed: we drop it partly, still treating Mr. A as the canon originator (which he, pretty much, is) - this puts the ARG events behind the wall - and then we enforce our canon by pushing on him. Foreseeing your question "how are we going to do that" - I have no idea. The best I can think of is just refusing to play if he does not comply.

I feel so awkward typing all this in a location Mr. A can see...

[NeverSlender]

How?

Laconic: we drop the Suspension Of Disbelief.

Detailed: we drop it partly, still treating Mr. A as the canon originator (which he, pretty much, is) - this puts the ARG events behind the wall - and then we enforce our canon by pushing on him. Foreseeing your question "how are we going to do that" - I have no idea. The best I can think of is just refusing to play if he does not comply.

I feel so awkward typing all this in a location Mr. A can see...

Okay, let's assume this works and the ARG goes behind the fourth wall. The fourth wall is cracked. The ARG would just fall straight back through.

[Dryunya]

Don't you see it? That's essentially saying "screw this, we're not playing, you're the writer, make it end well". Nothing falls through after that.
And when I say it without meta-speak, the whole idea sounds pretty childish.

[NeverSlender]

Don't you see it? That's essentially saying "screw this, we're not playing, you're the writer, make it end well". Nothing falls through after that.
And when I say it without meta-speak, the whole idea sounds pretty childish.

I'mma gonna point out that this thing had just started. There's hopefully some actual plot development to come, instead of endlessly adding characters.

[Dryunya]

Probably. But so far, that's my plan.

[NeverSlender]

Probably. But so far, that's my plan.

By the way your above post really won't go down well. At all.

[RotavatoR]

How?

Laconic: we drop the Suspension Of Disbelief.

Detailed: we drop it partly, still treating Mr. A as the canon originator (which he, pretty much, is) - this puts the ARG events behind the wall - and then we enforce our canon by pushing on him. Foreseeing your question "how are we going to do that" - I have no idea. The best I can think of is just refusing to play if he does not comply.

I feel so awkward typing all this in a location Mr. A can see...

Okay, let's assume this works and the ARG goes behind the fourth wall. The fourth wall is cracked. The ARG would just fall straight back through.

It's even worse. The crack is part of the ARG. The ARG could fall through the wall in itself...

[Dryunya]

By the way your above post really won't go down well. At all.

Did I miss something again? Mr. A's twitter is silent, if that's the case.

It's even worse. The crack is part of the ARG. The ARG could fall through the wall in itself...

Would you make a schematic or something? I don't really understand. =/

[RotavatoR]

The crack is part of the ARG. It's how this whole thing started, even. If we put the ARG (with crack and all) behind the wall, with the crack still there, then the ARG is put behind the wall that it itself contains due to there being a crack in it.

Simply put, we can't put the ARG behind the wall because the wall is part of the ARG due to the crack.

[Pixelmage]

It's even worse. The crack is part of the ARG. The ARG could fall through the wall in itself...

Would you make a schematic or something? I don't really understand. =/[/quote]

The ARG contains a Crack in the Wall through which pieces of fiction can fall through.
The ARG is a piece of fiction.
Therefore, the ARG can fall through the crack into itself.

[Dryunya]

Ok, you've Logic Bombed me. To resolve this, we need to put this onto the metaverse model and see if it fits.
Maybe later. It's pretty late here. =/

[RotavatoR]

Would it be possible to fix the crack before fictionalizing the ARG? That would avoid this situation altogether...

[Scarab]

Would it be possible to fix the crack before fictionalizing the ARG? That would avoid the paradox altogether...

That's pretty much what we're hoping, I think, although at this point just how we're going to do that is completely beyond me... there has to be a way, though...

[RotavatoR]

I changed my wording from "paradox" to "situation". Wasn't sure if it was really a paradox, but maybe it is.

And what does fictionalizing mean anyways? Like writing a book about it? If you write a book about a real person, that real person doesn't become fiction.

[Pixelmage]

Would it be possible to fix the crack before fictionalizing the ARG? That would avoid this situation altogether...

That's what I think we should focus on. For now we can't do anything. We're neither able to seal the wall, nor send the characters back. So, we play business as usual until we get to the point where we can do either/both of these. Deciding now is pointless.

[Scarab]

I changed my wording from "paradox" to "situation". Wasn't sure if it was really a paradox, but maybe it is.

And what does fictionalizing mean anyways? Like writing a book about it? If you write a book about a real person, that real person doesn't become fiction.

Well we've actually considered that briefly in a completely different time and place (ie. what happens when you have real people playing character roles that are essentialy themselves, such as, say, the yogscast) it's kind of another issue.

Safe to say none of the characters we're dealing with now likely existed before the creation of their stories. But simply by engaging in this ARG we're creating a fiction with ourselves as the characters. That makes this ARG a whole new fictional unvierse in itself. I think the idea is that if we can find some way to fix the broken wall and leave the characters in the fictional ARG we've created, we can avoid the moral quandry of sending some of them undeservingly back to their deaths...

That's what I think we should focus on. For now we can't do anything. We're neither able to seal the wall, nor send the characters back. So, we play business as usual until we get to the point where we can do either/both of these. Deciding now is pointless.

Agreed, it's too soon yet. Let's see what happens next.