The "sending them back" dilemma

[Dekso]

Check twitter looks like we broke one of them for being mean apprantly. But hey at least I found out why he talks in cap locks.

[NeverSlender]

He's Mr. Administrator. He can be manic sometimes.

That said, I'm sure he's hiding something. I just don't think this is it.

Can't we just overthrow him and do things our way?
I mean, we're at a crossroad I talked about when I joined, what if we joined with the Cabal to flat out just LET the fictionals stay?
Not advocating to it, just throwing the option in the open to see what you guys think. But faction division seems as something that could happen at some point.

Really? Surely not.

[Paradox]

Can't we just overthrow him and do things our way?
I mean, we're at a crossroad I talked about when I joined, what if we joined with the Cabal to flat out just LET the fictionals stay?
Not advocating to it, just throwing the option in the open to see what you guys think. But faction division seems as something that could happen at some point.

I'd say the problem with doing that, is us running the risk of all of reality falling apart...
I mean it's possible that Mr. A is making it out to be worse than it is, but I'm not sure it's worth the risk.
After all, it would suck if we saved the fictionals and let them stay, only for their new reality to get wiped out around them (and us).

I just don't think we have enough information to make that kind of play yet.
Though I suppose one could argue if we ever will...

[Dryunya]

Check twitter looks like we broke one of them for being mean apprantly. But hey at least I found out why he talks in cap locks.

If you're talking about that, I don't think it explains the all-caps. =/

[IslaKariese]

Can't we just overthrow him and do things our way?
I mean, we're at a crossroad I talked about when I joined, what if we joined with the Cabal to flat out just LET the fictionals stay?
Not advocating to it, just throwing the option in the open to see what you guys think. But faction division seems as something that could happen at some point.

I'd say the problem with doing that, is us running the risk of all of reality falling apart...
I mean it's possible that Mr. A is making it out to be worse than it is, but I'm not sure it's worth the risk.
After all, it would suck if we saved the fictionals and let them stay, only for their new reality to get wiped out around them (and us).

I just don't think we have enough information to make that kind of play yet.
Though I suppose one could argue if we ever will...

I can only imagine that it would be beyond our abilities to try and overthrow Mr. A, anyway. He knows too much, much more than he's telling us, and pitching forward without a solid base is only asking to perform without a net and no way to keep from falling.

[Dryunya]

As I said, there is one thing he may listen to. We may refuse to act. Consider that an "unless..." added to the "throw a tantrum" plan.

[Replica]

As I said, there is one thing he may listen to. We may refuse to act. Consider that an "unless..." added to the "throw a tantrum" plan.

Throwing a tantrum unless he acts more to our desires could work very well or go horribly wrong. As in, it could work quickly or we could end up refusing to do something and causing some bad consequences.

[Scarab]

As I said, there is one thing he may listen to. We may refuse to act. Consider that an "unless..." added to the "throw a tantrum" plan.

Throwing a tantrum unless he acts more to our desires could work very well or go horribly wrong. As in, it could work quickly or we could end up refusing to do something and causing some bad consequences.

Well I'd say we're officially stuck then.

And there are going to be divisions, even amongst us, as to which plan is for the best. The idea of us dividing up into factions, disagreeing to the extent that we may even be actively working AGAINST each other... I don't like that, guys. Purely person, purely a sense of 'we're all in this together, we should act like it because that may be the only way out' playing up (that and I don't wanna fight my friends), but that's how it is in my head. I guess we can't keep debates from happening, but still...

Unless of course something really extreme happens which basically forces us to choose one method or the other whether we like it or not, and I'm not convinced that would be a much better outcome.

[Zup]

We could send the people who are sympathetic to be on "their side" and secretly report back to us. You know, go undercover? I'll volunteer!

[Adell]

We could send the people who are sympathetic to be on "their side" and secretly report back to us. You know, go undercover? I'll volunteer!

They read the forum, you know right?

[Paradox]

As I said, there is one thing he may listen to. We may refuse to act. Consider that an "unless..." added to the "throw a tantrum" plan.

Throwing a tantrum unless he acts more to our desires could work very well or go horribly wrong. As in, it could work quickly or we could end up refusing to do something and causing some bad consequences.

Well I'd say we're officially stuck then.

And there are going to be divisions, even amongst us, as to which plan is for the best. The idea of us dividing up into factions, disagreeing to the extent that we may even be actively working AGAINST each other... I don't like that, guys. Purely person, purely a sense of 'we're all in this together, we should act like it because that may be the only way out' playing up (that and I don't wanna fight my friends), but that's how it is in my head. I guess we can't keep debates from happening, but still...

Unless of course something really extreme happens which basically forces us to choose one method or the other whether we like it or not, and I'm not convinced that would be a much better outcome.

Yeah... I think the worst possible thing we could all do is compleately divide off.
At the very least everyone should probably be sticking to trying to work towards at least something.
Preferably preventing the collapse of reality... because you know, no sense in doing anything if that ends up happening.

[Scarab]

Yeah... I think the worst possible thing we could all do is compleately divide off.
At the very least everyone should probably be sticking to trying to work towards at least something.
Preferably preventing the collapse of reality... because you know, no sense in doing anything if that ends up happening.

Pretty much. I hate the idea of us being forced against one another, that is about the only thing that could ruin this for me, and ultimately, we DO have to preserve the stability of the world... somehow. That's always been the goal since the beginning. Still there was never any way any of us were getting out of this without confronting an awful lot of moral dilemmas.

[Pixelmage]

Yeah... I think the worst possible thing we could all do is compleately divide off.
At the very least everyone should probably be sticking to trying to work towards at least something.
Preferably preventing the collapse of reality... because you know, no sense in doing anything if that ends up happening.

I'm not so sure about that. An End is an End. Either we preserve the Status Quo and go back to none of this ever happened. Or we end in a different state. At no point did cAke say that "Send them back or it's the apocalypse", all he ever said is: "IT COULD HAVE DIRE CONSEQUENCES". Could. Until we know that, why should we just run straight towards his defined goals when we don't even really trust the guy?

But yes. A split base here could very well be the end of all efforts. No side will have enough coordination and manpower to solve the problems AND deal with the others.

[Zup]

We could send the people who are sympathetic to be on "their side" and secretly report back to us. You know, go undercover? I'll volunteer!

They read the forum, you know right?

Of course. This is purely hypothetical.

[Adell]

I'll do everything I can to make sure we stay together. If we want to have a result we're all happy with, sticking together is absolutely key. We came together as a team and there's no group of people I'd rather be working with right now, despite all our arguing.

[Scarab]

Yeah... I think the worst possible thing we could all do is compleately divide off.
At the very least everyone should probably be sticking to trying to work towards at least something.
Preferably preventing the collapse of reality... because you know, no sense in doing anything if that ends up happening.

I'm not so sure about that. An End is an End. Either we preserve the Status Quo and go back to none of this ever happened. Or we end in a different state. At no point did cAke say that "Send them back or it's the apocalypse", all he ever said is: "IT COULD HAVE DIRE CONSEQUENCES". Could. Until we know that, why should we just run straight towards his defined goals when we don't even really trust the guy?
But yes. A split base here could very well be the end of all efforts. No side will have enough coordination and manpower to solve the problems AND deal with the others.

Yes, also, everything probably would go to hell. Maybe they haven't said outright 'there's an apocalypse coming' but I think it's going to be obvious how things end if more and more fictions continue to arrive in the way they have. It's only a matter of time before something genuinely deadly comes through. Still so far it's managable, and we should keep considering all options. If Mister A. refuses to give us any input, he shouldn't be surprised when we come up with our own...

[Paradox]

Yeah... I think the worst possible thing we could all do is compleately divide off.
At the very least everyone should probably be sticking to trying to work towards at least something.
Preferably preventing the collapse of reality... because you know, no sense in doing anything if that ends up happening.

Pretty much. I hate the idea of us being forced against one another, that is about the only thing that could ruin this for me, and ultimately, we DO have to preserve the stability of the world... somehow. That's always been the goal since the beginning. Still there was never any way any of us were getting out of this without confronting an awful lot of moral dilemmas.

Well, I doubt everyone/thing will have a happy ending unfortunately...
Makes me glad Fictionals can't seem to read their own stories.

But I sort of wonder even if they could stay here, would that change them?
I mean look at Romeo's whole deal right now...

The characters we remember, we remember because of their whole stories, from start to finish.
If they stay here, I assume they'll never finish them. Which I guess could be a cause of more recent cracks in the wall...
We know the characters because of their story. But if they're here, and got here while being somewhere in the middle of their respective stories... then what we remember is wrong, unless we fix it and send them back.

I'm not sure what's worse...

Death of a character.
Or the death of their story as a whole by staying here, resulting in the deaths of so many peoples potential inspirations.

[Pixelmage]

Yes, also, everything probably would go to hell. Maybe they haven't said outright 'there's an apocalypse coming' but I think it's going to be obvious how things end if more and more fictions continue to arrive in the way they have. It's only a matter of time before something genuinely deadly comes through. Still so far it's managable, and we should keep considering all options. If Mister A. refuses to give us any input, he shouldn't be surprised when we come up with our own...

He's basically saying that to us right now:
https://twitter.com/YouHaveFailedUs/sta ... 1966407681
https://twitter.com/YouHaveFailedUs/sta ... 1591448576

So, if it is our job to gather information, why is it that the whole forum goes mad when someone points out the creepyness of his behavior?
I should probably get off for today... Lest I indulge in some serious rule 3 breakage spree.

[Scarab]

Yes, also, everything probably would go to hell. Maybe they haven't said outright 'there's an apocalypse coming' but I think it's going to be obvious how things end if more and more fictions continue to arrive in the way they have. It's only a matter of time before something genuinely deadly comes through. Still so far it's managable, and we should keep considering all options. If Mister A. refuses to give us any input, he shouldn't be surprised when we come up with our own...

He's basically saying that to us right now:
https://twitter.com/YouHaveFailedUs/sta ... 1966407681
https://twitter.com/YouHaveFailedUs/sta ... 1591448576

So, if it is our job to gather information, why is it that the whole forum goes mad when someone points out the creepyness of his behavior?
I should probably get off for today... Lest I indulge in some serious rule 3 breakage spree.

You make a good point. I guess we're all just a little confused and on edge right now what with the Cabal showing up... we're in a very difficult situation here.

[Paradox]

Yes, also, everything probably would go to hell. Maybe they haven't said outright 'there's an apocalypse coming' but I think it's going to be obvious how things end if more and more fictions continue to arrive in the way they have. It's only a matter of time before something genuinely deadly comes through. Still so far it's managable, and we should keep considering all options. If Mister A. refuses to give us any input, he shouldn't be surprised when we come up with our own...

He's basically saying that to us right now:
https://twitter.com/YouHaveFailedUs/sta ... 1966407681
https://twitter.com/YouHaveFailedUs/sta ... 1591448576

So, if it is our job to gather information, why is it that the whole forum goes mad when someone points out the creepyness of his behavior?
I should probably get off for today... Lest I indulge in some serious rule 3 breakage spree.

You make a good point. I guess we're all just a little confused and on edge right now what with the Cabal showing up... we're in a very difficult situation here.

I suppose our best bet is to just keep doing what we're doing. At least until we have enough information to actually know what's going on...

I don't think we can really afford to disregard anything just yet, even if it might be deceit or something.

[Pixelmage]

As for your plan, that would... be strange and yet awesome. Probably end in hilarity too. I don't know if he can create on directly, seeing as he cannot create fiction, but he might be able to canonize one like with the guardians. Which, by the way, means that if we can get him to cooperate, moving the ARG or just making another world for the characters we don't want to send back would be possible. Maybe we should get ready to bargain with him for something of the sort.

Sicon's post from "Oh, and one more thing..."
It spawned an idea for a possible alternative Endgame Plan. We know Mr. A is reluctant to seal the wall with characters still on this side. But, if we get his cooperation, what if we create a new fictional canon, in the same sense we created the guardians, to send the characters to? That way, we still send them to the other side, sealing the wall without unkown variables on this side...

Well, it's just an idea. Perhaps Sicon can elaborate a bit better, or Dryu can work his magic and come up with a perfectly understandable explanation... But, what does everyone think?

[NeverSlender]

Going by his videos I'm not sure he'd be open to a debate on this.

[Scarab]

As for your plan, that would... be strange and yet awesome. Probably end in hilarity too. I don't know if he can create on directly, seeing as he cannot create fiction, but he might be able to canonize one like with the guardians. Which, by the way, means that if we can get him to cooperate, moving the ARG or just making another world for the characters we don't want to send back would be possible. Maybe we should get ready to bargain with him for something of the sort.

Sicon's post from "Oh, and one more thing..."
It spawned an idea for a possible alternative Endgame Plan. We know Mr. A is reluctant to seal the wall with characters still on this side. But, if we get his cooperation, what if we create a new fictional canon, in the same sense we created the guardians, to send the characters to? That way, we still send them to the other side, sealing the wall without unkown variables on this side...

Well, it's just an idea. Perhaps Sicon can elaborate a bit better, or Dryu can work his magic and come up with a perfectly understandable explanation... But, what does everyone think?

I think that's a good idea. I think it would solve a lot of problems, give them a world to call their own and then we could deal with the less... predictable aspects of the fictionals. The only problem with them staying here is that their very presence damages the stability of the metaverse. But if they're inside another fiction all their own surely that doesn't matter?

And there are a LOT of us here... remember the therapists early talk about... urgh I STILL can't remember what she called it... crowdsourcing I think it was? The idea of creating thought patterns and actions as a group that we couldn't acchieve alone, via a kidn of hivemind technique? What if ALL of us worked on putting together one fictional world where they could all exist. We could all hivemind to create a world.

Going by his videos I'm not sure he'd be open to a debate on this.

Hm, yeah that IS an issue.

[NeverSlender]

Even if we all create a new world for them, how do we get them there? They seem to be physical beings and we couldn't send a person into a fictional world.

[Scarab]

Even if we all create a new world for them, how do we get them there? They seem to be physical beings and we couldn't send a person into a fictional world.

True, I think that's a part of the plan we're all still working on figuring out and eelts face it, everything we do is still msotly speculation. I mean, we know there must be some way to push characters BACK across the wall the way they came (just as Mister A threatened to do in the latest video) so there much be some way to create a world to push them INTO.

Heck we created all their worlds in the first place. if we can just figure out how we did that and how it actually works... and we have more chance of doing that as a group than we do as individuals. Lots of smart people here, lots of new ways of thinking that Mister A probably hasnt even considered. I'm sure we can do it.