The "sending them back" dilemma

[Pixelmage]

Going by his videos I'm not sure he'd be open to a debate on this.

Agreed. But, if we can aim at a compromise, wouldn't it be better than having our backup card being a tantrum? We didn't expect him to answer our questions, yet he just reached his tweet limit talking to us. Surely that shows some possibility to arrange a deal.

He said it himself that our job is to collect information, what if we can make this into a plan that fits Dryu's meta-verse model? Surely we could ask him to at least consider it. But this also assumes we can create a whole self contained canon to send the characters to...

Even if we all create a new world for them, how do we get them there? They seem to be physical beings and we couldn't send a person into a fictional world.

Well, we're going to send them back to the other side... Not even cAke is sure of what happens then. This would be the option to have them cross into our new canon instead of back to the original stories.

[NeverSlender]

Going by his videos I'm not sure he'd be open to a debate on this.

Agreed. But, if we can aim at a compromise, wouldn't it be better than having our backup card being a tantrum? We didn't expect him to answer our questions, yet he just reached his tweet limit talking to us. Surely that shows some possibility to arrange a deal.

He said it himself that our job is to collect information, what if we can make this into a plan that fits Dryu's meta-verse model? Surely we could ask him to at least consider it. But this also assumes we can create a whole self contained canon to send the characters to...

Even if we all create a new world for them, how do we get them there? They seem to be physical beings and we couldn't send a person into a fictional world.

Well, we're going to send them back to the other side... Not even cAke is sure of what happens then. This would be the option to have them cross into our new canon instead of back to the original stories.

The whole problem is that the characters are in a place they shouldn't be. Is sending them to a new canon much different?

[Scarab]

Going by his videos I'm not sure he'd be open to a debate on this.

Agreed. But, if we can aim at a compromise, wouldn't it be better than having our backup card being a tantrum? We didn't expect him to answer our questions, yet he just reached his tweet limit talking to us. Surely that shows some possibility to arrange a deal.

He said it himself that our job is to collect information, what if we can make this into a plan that fits Dryu's meta-verse model? Surely we could ask him to at least consider it. But this also assumes we can create a whole self contained canon to send the characters to...

Even if we all create a new world for them, how do we get them there? They seem to be physical beings and we couldn't send a person into a fictional world.

Well, we're going to send them back to the other side... Not even cAke is sure of what happens then. This would be the option to have them cross into our new canon instead of back to the original stories.

He seems a logical guy. If we can come up with a workable strategy that poses no more threat than the original plan, which basically consists of trying to force these characters back to where they came from; an issue we're all a bit uneasy about, and which isn't neccesarily all that practical when you consider how many of them there ARE, then perhaps he'd be willing to listen?

He at least seems to be more open with us than I ever thought he'd be. He spent HOURS just telling us the answers to most of the question s we asked even if he was still a bit cagey about some of them. Trust worthy or not, he may be the only person who can help make any alternative plan we have a reality.

[IslaKariese]

The whole problem is that the characters are in a place they shouldn't be. Is sending them to a new canon much different?

Well, it'd be fictional, so... *shrug*

[Adell]

Mr.A said in his tweets that they just need to return to the fictional side of the wall, he never said they needed to return to their original stories. This means it may be possible to send them back within a new canon, like how we wanted to send the whole ARG over. (and that means Romeo and Juliet don't necessarily have to die.)

[NeverSlender]

The whole problem is that the characters are in a place they shouldn't be. Is sending them to a new canon much different?

Well, it'd be fictional, so... *shrug*

Yeah, but it's still not their story. IF we have to send them back, surely they would have to go to their own story?

[Pixelmage]

The whole problem is that the characters are in a place they shouldn't be. Is sending them to a new canon much different?

Well, it'd be fictional, so... *shrug*

This. All we have is conjecture... The idea here is that if they're on the fictional side, it won't cause problems to us... Regardless of in which canon they are.

[Scarab]

The whole problem is that the characters are in a place they shouldn't be. Is sending them to a new canon much different?

Well, it'd be fictional, so... *shrug*

Well they might still object to it, but again we could always give them a choice. Ask them where they want to go. Staying here obviously wouldn't be an option, but...

Mr.A said in his tweets that they just need to return to the fictional side of the wall, he never said they needed to return to their original stories. This means it may be possible to send them back within a new canon, like how we wanted to send the whole ARG over.

Good point. They came from a fiction... would going back into one be so difficult? I'm sure they'd all have different answers to that question. Romeo for example seems quite attached to here, but I don't believe Holmes would mind so much. I mean, I never really thought of all these ficitonal worlds as being 'not real' while ours is the only reality with any substance...

Yeah, but it's still not their story. IF we have to send them back, surely they would have to go to their own story?

Perhaps, but Mister A never SAID that, what proof do we have that they have to go back SPECIFICALLY into their own reality? Their stories clearly continue to exist without their physical presence, so they aren't nessecary from a literary stand point.

[NeverSlender]

Okay, but that still doesn't answer the "how do we get them there" question. Without that answer, there's no plan.

[IslaKariese]

Okay, but that still doesn't answer the "how do we get them there" question. Without that answer, there's no plan.

Yup. Until we find out how the Wall broke, who broke it, and how to fix it, there's no way to put everything back the way it was before.

[Adell]

Okay, but that still doesn't answer the "how do we get them there" question. Without that answer, there's no plan.

Yup. Until we find out how the Wall broke, who broke it, and how to fix it, there's no way to put everything back the way it was before.

Right, but I think as far as the 'dilemna' is concerned we're okay now. Even if they are sent back to the fictional side of the wall, they are not necessarily tied down by their own stories, thus we can avoid the implications of constantly dying like with romeo and juliet. Of course, assuming Mr.A wasn't just lying.

[NeverSlender]

Okay, but that still doesn't answer the "how do we get them there" question. Without that answer, there's no plan.

Yup. Until we find out how the Wall broke, who broke it, and how to fix it, there's no way to put everything back the way it was before.

This requires more than that though. Not only do we need to know how to send them back, we also nee to know how to send them to a specific canon.

[IslaKariese]

This requires more than that though. Not only do we need to knkw how to send them back, we also nee to know how to send them to a specific canon.

How about we not assume that we need to do that part? We don't even know if characters visit each other from separate stories.

[Scarab]

Okay, but that still doesn't answer the "how do we get them there" question. Without that answer, there's no plan.

Yup. Until we find out how the Wall broke, who broke it, and how to fix it, there's no way to put everything back the way it was before.

This requires more than that though. Not only do we need to know how to send them back, we also nee to know how to send them to a specific canon.

Mm, if we're lucky the solution we're looking for will answer BOTH of those questions... when we eventually find it.

[NeverSlender]

This requires more than that though. Not only do we need to knkw how to send them back, we also nee to know how to send them to a specific canon.

How about we not assume that we need to do that part? We don't even know if characters visit each other from separate stories.

If the plan is to create a new world for them, that's the most important part.

[Scarab]

This requires more than that though. Not only do we need to knkw how to send them back, we also nee to know how to send them to a specific canon.

How about we not assume that we need to do that part? We don't even know if characters visit each other from separate stories.

Well we know crossovers exist within fiction, though they're always a result of human interferrence in THIS world. It at least tells us the walls CAN be cossed, and possibly that it can be done quite safely without damaging the wall.

[IslaKariese]

How about we not assume that we need to do that part? We don't even know if characters visit each other from separate stories.

If the plan is to create a new world for them, that's the most important part.

The new world, or canon, would count as a fictional story, even if there are about five different mediums involved. If it's the case that characters do in fact visit each other behind the Wall, then I don't believe it would be any more of a boundary between them and their stories than usual.

[NeverSlender]

How about we not assume that we need to do that part? We don't even know if characters visit each other from separate stories.

If the plan is to create a new world for them, that's the most important part.

The new world, or canon, would count as a fictional story, even if there are about five different mediums involved. If it's the case that characters do in fact visit each other behind the Wall, then I don't believe it would be any more of a boundary between them and their stories than usual.

If thwy can cross stories then a new fictional world for them isn't necessary.

[JackAlsworth]

Do we have the right to send back the characters who are doomed to die in their story?

WE SIMPLY WANT TO RETURN THEM ACROSS THE WALL. IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN WHETHER THEY MUST RETURN TO THEIR OWN STORY.

Thought this was appropriate.

[NeverSlender]

Do we have the right to send back the characters who are doomed to die in their story?

WE SIMPLY WANT TO RETURN THEM ACROSS THE WALL. IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN WHETHER THEY MUST RETURN TO THEIR OWN STORY.

Thought this was appropriate.

I that's the case, and they return to different stories, what would happen to those stories? Surely they'd change to accomodate missing/new characters?

[Adell]

Do we have the right to send back the characters who are doomed to die in their story?

WE SIMPLY WANT TO RETURN THEM ACROSS THE WALL. IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN WHETHER THEY MUST RETURN TO THEIR OWN STORY.

Thought this was appropriate.

I that's the case, and they return to different stories, what would happen to those stories? Surely they'd change to accomodate missing/new characters?

Why, Romeo and Juliet are missing NOW and we can still read their stories (Nothing about them has changed to reflect their absence). I think it would be more like a multiverse kind of thing, where both exist simultaneously (original and the new version when they return.)

[NeverSlender]

I think that we can read them because, at the minute, they are able to return, we just don't know how. If they go into a different story and we seal the wall, they would never be able to return to their stories. Then it could be different.

[Scarab]

Why, Romeo and Juliet are missing NOW and we can still read their stories (Nothing about them has changed to reflect their absence). I think it would be more like a multiverse kind of thing, where both exist simultaneously (original and the new version when they return.)

Well that simplifies things, surely? At least we know there isn't some huge gap in their reality which they absolutely have to go back and fill. I can't remember who the blueprint theory guy was, but it was a good theory and makes sense...

[Dryunya]

All right, compiling a response.

First,

Do we have the right to send back the characters who are doomed to die in their story?

WE SIMPLY WANT TO RETURN THEM ACROSS THE WALL. IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN WHETHER THEY MUST RETURN TO THEIR OWN STORY.

this.

That means if there is a possibility to send the characters to another canon, Mr. Administrator will consider it. He has, in fact, shown that he is pretty much willing to take our morals into consideration - why he couldn't just say so upfront is a mystery (read: Wall Banger).
My WMG is that we wouldn't have to create a whole setting - just write a resolution for each character: where they end up and what happens to them. But, to be honest, that sort of contradicts the blueprint theory - we create a blueprint and THEN attach a character to it... not sure if it makes sense.

Oh, wait. That would be Canon Welding. Consider that a blueprint for a character is automatically made by his actions in the real world, and then we complement it by writing an ending. It becomes ONE blueprint the character returns to. Happy End.

Sorry, this time I'm not really making much sense.

I can't remember who the blueprint theory guy was, but it was a good theory and makes sense...

[Scarab]

this.
That means if there is a possibility to send the characters to another canon, Mr. Administrator will consider it. He has, in fact, shown that he is pretty much willing to take our morals into consideration - why he couldn't just say so upfront is a mystery (read: Wall Banger).

Heck, it works for me. Honestly with Mister A? I am starting to wonder if this whole thing with him has been a case of Poor Communication Kills, or at least Poor Communication Leaves Everyone Confused and Untrusting. He's NOT a human and probably doesn't think like one so he's operating on a different logic to us. He just didn't realise how important trust was to us and he was honestly FAIRLY open in the AMA. Still cagey about some things, but mostly open. Not saying I trust him but I think this is more complex than simply decpetion at least. He may be trustworthy after all.

Heck, perhapps he's not even aware of how disturbing he sounds sometimes, especially when he's talking aboutshoving them back over the wall (but then he was talking directly to the CABAL then, and they've presented more of a threat than the others.

Oh, hi there Dryu. How are you this fine evening?