The "sending them back" dilemma

[Dryunya]

On this fine evening, it's the middle of the night here.

[Scarab]

On this fine evening, it's the middle of the night here.

M'yeah it's the middle of the night here too, but I think all of our body clocks have become permenantly discombobulated by this point, so it hardly matters.

[IslaKariese]

On this fine evening, it's the middle of the night here.

The folly of being our only Russian.

[Adell]

In Soviet Russia, topic derails you! (and by that I mean stay on topic)

[Sicon112]

As you guys have already realized, I suggested that because of Mr. A's tweets seeming to hint that he would be open to the idea. If I didn't think there was a chance of it working out, I wouldn't have said it. The lateral walls between fictions that govern crossovers are far more flexible that the level walls, as the existence of crossovers indicates. Therefore, such a thing would be possible, and with work it would likely be possible to generate a whole universe. I mean, it happens every time someone writes a new fiction, right?

Even if we do a crossover, the story will not change, since a such a thing causes a branch off from the original timeline, like an AU. Therefore, the method of looking over the fourth wall into that universe, such as a book, will not shift at all. However, a new sub-universe modeled on the original ones comes into being and can be observed via THIS ARG instead of the book. Make sense, or does Dryu need to clarify that?

[Pixelmage]

As you guys have already realized, I suggested that because of Mr. A's tweets seeming to hint that he would be open to the idea. If I didn't think there was a chance of it working out, I wouldn't have said it. The lateral walls between fictions that govern crossovers are far more flexible that the level walls, as the existence of crossovers indicates. Therefore, such a thing would be possible, and with work it would likely be possible to generate a whole universe. I mean, it happens every time someone writes a new fiction, right?

Even if we do a crossover, the story will not change, since a such a thing causes a branch off from the original timeline, like an AU. Therefore, the method of looking over the fourth wall into that universe, such as a book, will not shift at all. However, a new sub-universe modeled on the original ones comes into being and can be observed via THIS ARG instead of the book. Make sense, or does Dryu need to clarify that?

I get it. No problem. Not sure if everyone will though...

[NeverSlender]

As you guys have already realized, I suggested that because of Mr. A's tweets seeming to hint that he would be open to the idea. If I didn't think there was a chance of it working out, I wouldn't have said it. The lateral walls between fictions that govern crossovers are far more flexible that the level walls, as the existence of crossovers indicates. Therefore, such a thing would be possible, and with work it would likely be possible to generate a whole universe. I mean, it happens every time someone writes a new fiction, right?

Even if we do a crossover, the story will not change, since a such a thing causes a branch off from the original timeline, like an AU. Therefore, the method of looking over the fourth wall into that universe, such as a book, will not shift at all. However, a new sub-universe modeled on the original ones comes into being and can be observed via THIS ARG instead of the book. Make sense, or does Dryu need to clarify that?

The idea is fine. But we don't know how to get them across the wall at all never mind into a specific world.

[Scarab]

As you guys have already realized, I suggested that because of Mr. A's tweets seeming to hint that he would be open to the idea. If I didn't think there was a chance of it working out, I wouldn't have said it. The lateral walls between fictions that govern crossovers are far more flexible that the level walls, as the existence of crossovers indicates. Therefore, such a thing would be possible, and with work it would likely be possible to generate a whole universe. I mean, it happens every time someone writes a new fiction, right?

Even if we do a crossover, the story will not change, since a such a thing causes a branch off from the original timeline, like an AU. Therefore, the method of looking over the fourth wall into that universe, such as a book, will not shift at all. However, a new sub-universe modeled on the original ones comes into being and can be observed via THIS ARG instead of the book. Make sense, or does Dryu need to clarify that?

The idea is fine. But we don't know how to get them across the wall at all never mind into a specific world.

True, but we're working n it. There's still time

[NeverSlender]

As you guys have already realized, I suggested that because of Mr. A's tweets seeming to hint that he would be open to the idea. If I didn't think there was a chance of it working out, I wouldn't have said it. The lateral walls between fictions that govern crossovers are far more flexible that the level walls, as the existence of crossovers indicates. Therefore, such a thing would be possible, and with work it would likely be possible to generate a whole universe. I mean, it happens every time someone writes a new fiction, right?

Even if we do a crossover, the story will not change, since a such a thing causes a branch off from the original timeline, like an AU. Therefore, the method of looking over the fourth wall into that universe, such as a book, will not shift at all. However, a new sub-universe modeled on the original ones comes into being and can be observed via THIS ARG instead of the book. Make sense, or does Dryu need to clarify that?

The idea is fine. But we don't know how to get them across the wall at all never mind into a specific world.

True, but we're working n it. There's still time

We might not have time. We don't know.

Shouldn't we come up with at least one plan where we actually know how to do everything involved in it?

[Scarab]

We might not have time. We don't know.

Shouldn't we come up with at least one plan where we actually know how to do everything involved in it?

Well if you have any answers or explanations as to HOW we do the things we want to do then we're all ears. I mean we don't even know how to carry out the original plan of sending them back, either.

[NeverSlender]

We might not have time. We don't know.

Shouldn't we come up with at least one plan where we actually know how to do everything involved in it?

Well if you have any answers or explanations as to HOW we do the things we want to do then we're all ears. I mean we don't even know how to carry out the original plan of sending them back, either.

That's kind of the point. With what we know we CAN'T make a plan we can carry out yet. I mean if it turns out these are possible then great, but it's pretty unlikely.

[Sicon112]

The question of getting them across will probably be answered by bargaining with Mr. A. We convince him to do the same thing that he did with the guardians. He ought to be able to pull it off.

[HarDHarKoopa]

I like Sicon's idea.

...

Damn, I just realized that besides that I got nothing at all. Crap. Uhh...what should we crossover with, if we do carry out the plan? Will it have to be an ARG? The only other ARG's I know are Slender stuff, and that might not be the best idea. I'd prefer my AU self not end up organs in a plastic bag, thank you very much. Crossing over with, say, Community could work. It would fit the show well enough, and the fictionals should be safe.

[Pixelmage]

I like Sicon's idea.

...

Damn, I just realized that besides that I got nothing at all. Crap. Uhh...what should we crossover with, if we do carry out the plan? Will it have to be an ARG? The only other ARG's I know are Slender stuff, and that might not be the best idea. I'd prefer my AU self not end up organs in a plastic bag, thank you very much. Crossing over with, say, Community could work. It would fit the show well enough, and the fictionals should be safe.

If we are to make an AU to send them to, shouldn't we make a new one? Base it off our earth and as it is now, implement crossover elements from their original works. Should not be too hard... But it'll be quite the intensive writing exercise. Not that I'm complaining about that.

[HarDHarKoopa]

I like Sicon's idea.

...

Damn, I just realized that besides that I got nothing at all. Crap. Uhh...what should we crossover with, if we do carry out the plan? Will it have to be an ARG? The only other ARG's I know are Slender stuff, and that might not be the best idea. I'd prefer my AU self not end up organs in a plastic bag, thank you very much. Crossing over with, say, Community could work. It would fit the show well enough, and the fictionals should be safe.

If we are to make an AU to send them to, shouldn't we make a new one? Base it off our earth and as it is now, implement crossover elements from their original works. Should not be too hard... But it'll be quite the intensive writing exercise. Not that I'm complaining about that.

I think it'd be a lot easier, and harder to buck-up, if we sent them to a known world, but in an area they never go to. So, in my Community example, anywhere but Greendale. They're be safe behind the wall, and they'd never impact the story.

[Scarab]

With the recent revelation from Miaster A as to exactly how we're going to send the characters home, I thought maybe this thread needed ressurrecting.

A discussion developed on the chatroom last night about exactly HOW they might be sent back. It was Lordxana who suggested that perhaps we should give all of the characters a chance to leave at least one last message for this world, possibly by writing a journal entry in a mobile phone, with the power for one message only, into the story we use to write them back into the story.

A number of us agreed this was a good idea. It gave them a chance to say what they want to say (even if all they want to do is curse us all sending them back).

The only requirement we've been given is that the story MUST take place in the original world, and that it must feature the tropes that show up in the Echo pages. There's no rule about what knowledge we get to send them back with. At least some of us are considering writing or have started writing, for example, Romeo and Juliet waking up in Verona with a phone next to them. And they're different people to who they were when they first entered Verona. How they deal with things will have changed and there's no getting around that.

If our stories can send them back with knowledge to at least try and make a better future for themselves... I say we do it, and give them a last chance to say their peace, especially those like Adam who let's face it, don't deserve to have to go back anywhere horrible. I know we don't want to God Mode the story, which is bad writing and just generally more annoying than conclusive. But it's not about throwing a tantrum, it's not about trying to force things to be the way we want them to be, it's about accepting our responsibility, accepting that WE have changed them in their time here, and that there are consequences of that, and giving them a chance they never had before.

It's the least we can do for them, really.

[Dryunya]

One request, and I hope it will be caught on.

As you probably know already, Tara is dead.
We suspected Cabal to be involved, but we have no confirmation yet.
If we get any...
If you are able to fit it into their return story well, MAKE THEM DIE IN THEIR STORIES. MAKE THEM DIE HORRIBLY. IF YOU CAN, MAKE THEM BEG FOR FORGIVENESS, GAGGING ON THEIR BLOOD AND ENTRAILS.
I'm very angry right now.

Sacrificial Lion my ass. I hope you are happy with yourselves. You Bastards.

[WackyMeetsPractical]

One request, and I hope it will be caught on.

As you probably know already, Tara is dead.
We suspected Cabal to be involved, but we have no confirmation yet.
If we get any...
If you are able to fit it into their return story well, MAKE THEM DIE IN THEIR STORIES. MAKE THEM DIE HORRIBLY. IF YOU CAN, MAKE THEM BEG FOR FORGIVENESS, GAGGING ON THEIR BLOOD AND ENTRAILS.
I'm very angry right now.

Sacrificial Lion my ass. I hope you are happy with yourselves. You Bastards.

Alternatively, give them a fate worse than death, as discussed in the chat room.

[IslaKariese]

oO I missed something really fucking important. Tara's dead!? What the fu-- This is what I get for worrying about school. Shit.

[Scarab]

oO I missed something really fucking important. Tara's dead!? What the fu-- This is what I get for worrying about school. Shit.

ARGH! *races off to catch up*

[Sicon112]

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In light of these chat logs, people have begun to take pity on the Cabal.

I will tell all of you now this now: I cannot condone the sacrifice of a world, or even the RISK of making that sacrifice, for the sake of a few people, fictional or otherwise, good or bad. If the universe depends on in, I WILL send them back, even if I am the only one there to write. After all, if the world dies, not even THEY get a happy ending.

You have to understand, at the moment, we are not sure that the fictionals are degrading reality enough that they would destroy it with their presence should the wall be shut. We DO know, however, that they are having an effect, and for the moment all the evidence appears to point toward their presence being dangerous. If that is confirmed, we obviously cannot allow them to stay. However, what seems less clear to some people is the implications of the other two options. I've said it before, and I will say it again. This is a case of guilty until proven innocent. Should neither be one hundred percent confirmed, then allowing anyone to remain is to risk the entire world. I shall not make a gamble of that size, even if the odds were stacked in it's favor instead of against it.

In other words, I shall remove the fictionals from this world unless I see proof that this world may survive their presence. To do otherwise is not something I could choose.

However, I am willing to take every action within my power to give them a happy ending somewhere in fiction, even should sending them away be needed. To this end, I suggest getting Mr. A to continue his research, and brainstorming about how we can resolve these issues that recent news has given us, assuming they must each return to their own world.

For instance, crossovers have been demonstrated to be a viable option between fictions. Perhaps we write a story for Moriarty that ends with him discovering some kind of gate, and one for Morgana with the same. Then we imply that they lead to one another, creating both a crossover and leaving the rest up to them.

[Dryunya]

Laconic: Sicon proceeds with the plan to send them back, but wants Mr. A to loosen the constraint on the target world they should be sent to, if possible.

And not taking any risks when it comes to fate of the metaverse is absolutely (I'd say, mathematically) fair. I still don't understand what all the fuss in the chat was about.

[Sicon112]

Laconic: Sicon proceeds with the plan to send them back, but wants Mr. A to loosen the constraint on the target world they should be sent to, if possible.

And not taking any risks when it comes to fate of the metaverse is absolutely (I'd say, mathematically) fair. I still don't understand what all the fuss in the chat was about.

And your resident Sicon translator strikes again....

[IslaKariese]

Laconic: Sicon proceeds with the plan to send them back, but wants Mr. A to loosen the constraint on the target world they should be sent to, if possible.

And not taking any risks when it comes to fate of the metaverse is absolutely (I'd say, mathematically) fair. I still don't understand what all the fuss in the chat was about.

And your resident Sicon translator strikes again....

He's the yin to your yang, bud.

[Scarab]

He's the yin to your yang, bud.

It just wouldn't be the same without him

Well, I've posted a thread about opening honest dialogues with everyone which I thing it's WAY past time for... maybe that'll lead somewhere.