What we know so far:

by **DrunkGirlfriend** on Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:04 pm

TV Tropes has a couple of helpful links, as we've been following this as events unfold.

We have compiled a timeline and we also have a page on the comic and odd bits of paper that some of us got in the mail.

by **Sicon112** on Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:10 pm

Ah, I see you caught the hyperlinks before I got my account set up. I would have replied over at TVTropes, but that ten minute post rule got in the way. All I can do is edit previous posts. Maybe I should have stopped lurking a while ago. >.<

by **AceOfSpades** on Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:18 pm

Well where to start. WTF has been finding rather shocking footages, and forces beyond this reality are for lack of a better word, pissed off.

by **Guyshane** on Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:25 pm

We also have to assume that at least some of the characters who sent Joe letters are good trackers which means he better have someone to guard him. Maybe that the purpose of the guardians that Mr.A had the troopers writing

by **AceOfSpades** on Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:27 pm

Guyshane wrote:We also have to assume that at least some of the characters who sent Joe letters are good trackers which means he better have someone to guard him. Maybe that the purpose of the guardians that Mr.A had the troopers writing

Now that you mentioned it, that is another possibility. I mostly assumed that they were either nearby or needed to know what he looked like to watch. Joe if you are reading this I suggest you surround your entire area with ammonia.

by **IslaKariese** on Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:03 am

But still, the Guardians are meant to remain on the other side of the wall, and it's very likely the characters threatening Joe are on THIS side. That doesn't help Joe at all.

by **AceOfSpades** on Sat Sep 29, 2012 12:59 pm

IslaKariese wrote:But still, the Guardians are meant to remain on the other side of the wall, and it's very likely the characters threatening Joe are on THIS side. That doesn't help Joe at all.

That is another possibility. I believe however that it could be both. On one side we have characters both good and evil reaching out to this world, and these gurdians making sure they stay in the fictional universe. Let me say that again good or evil. If you split the factions it's 4 quadrants all together. One quadrant which are the good characters simply want to check the world out while also trying to keep the evil ones whom probably want to take over this world at bay. While on the gurdians side, there are the goods that want to protect those, whom are in too deep and the evils determined to keep this thing a secret by any means necessary.

In other words either side has both heroes, villains, guardians and templar like defenders.

by **Scarab** on Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:05 pm

I do hope this fits here, but... the thing about the characters in the footage is they’re all rather... well, generic is the wrong choice of word, but take Cinderella for example: an extremely well known character, who’s story has many versions, from the gruesome original, to Disney. Many people from many countries would’ve recognised the woman on the Metro staircase. The plague Doctor in an earlier screen, the black dog, the mermaid: all very basic character types (archetypes?)

So it appears that, so far, we’re getting the most basic type of character bleed-through. The most specific thing we’ve had is some guy sparkling (and what that could refer to is unclear) and fact that Joe seemingly got a letter from Hogwarts which may just be a hoax... in fact I kind of hope it is, because the idea of fiction interspersing with reality to the extent that there’s an ACTUAL magically shielded castle somewhere in the highlands of Scotland... well, things have the potential to get really bizarre if it’s going to get any more specific, not that they aren’t already creepy.

My point here is... what happens when we start getting bleed-through from something more specific? Like a reality involving a nuclear holocaust a zombie outbreak, or reality warping or something? It’s potentially catastrophic. I can’t be the only one worried about these possibilities.

by **Victin** on Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:23 pm

Scarab wrote:I do hope this fits here, but... the thing about the characters in the footage is they’re all rather... well, generic is the wrong choice of word, but take Cinderella for example: an extremely well known character, who’s story has many versions, from the gruesome original, to Disney. Many people from many countries would’ve recognised the woman on the Metro staircase. The plague Doctor in an earlier screen, the black dog, the mermaid: all very basic character types (archetypes?)

So it appears that, so far, we’re getting the most basic type of character bleed-through. The most specific thing we’ve had is some guy sparkling (and what that could refer to is unclear) and fact that Joe seemingly got a letter from Hogwarts which may just be a hoax... in fact I kind of hope it is, because the idea of fiction interspersing with reality to the extent that there’s an ACTUAL magically shielded castle somewhere in the highlands of Scotland... well, things have the potential to get really bizarre if it’s going to get any more specific, not that they aren’t already creepy.

My point here is... what happens when we start getting bleed-through from something more specific? Like a reality involving a nuclear holocaust a zombie outbreak, or reality warping or something? It’s potentially catastrophic. I can’t be the only one worried about these possibilities.

I think that the crack is still too small to "real" characters pass through. At first, only these "flat" characters passed through, but then, only 2 (not counting "The Patient(s)") are known to be REAL characters (Cheshire and Poirot). The more the wall breaks, the more these characters can come, that is, the more complexity may pass.

by **AceOfSpades** on Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:32 pm

Maybe it's time for it to break. Look at how well it's held up till now. For a millennium only mythical creatures were claimed to have showed up. Vampires, Werewolves, and other creatures. Next thing you know the strange and bizarre show up, like Big Foot. Now it's fictional characters. I never once believed that 2012 was gonna be the end of the world, but I always believed that something might happen, something, both terrifying and beautiful. What if this was that thing?

by **Dryunya** on Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:36 pm

Scarab wrote:fact that Joe seemingly got a letter from Hogwarts which may just be a hoax... in fact I kind of hope it is

Cheshire Cat has confessed having written this one, for fun. Just nitpicking...

by **Scarab** on Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:49 pm

I think that the crack is still too small to "real" characters pass through. At first, only these "flat" characters passed through, but then, only 2 (not counting "The Patient(s)") are known to be REAL characters (Cheshire and Poirot). The more the wall breaks, the more these characters can come, that is, the more complexity may pass.

Makes sense. These well known characters seem like a step between purely archetypal beings and more specific fictional identities. ...Maybe at some point we will have to start worrying about the radiation poisoning or having our brains broken. The human imagination can come up with some pretty disturbing stuff.

I never once believed that 2012 was gonna be the end of the world, but I always believed that something might happen, something, both terrifying and beautiful. What if this was that thing?

I don’t know... I’m as interested as any of us in the strange and the unexplained. That’s what brought us all here in the first place, after all. But... this feels very much like a Pandora’s Box kinda situation –potentially hugely destructive, but just too inciting to resist. And Pandora’s Box if you buy the myth, is an explanation for why our current world IS the way it is: creation out of destruction.

Cheshire Cat has confessed having written this one, for fun. Just nitpicking...

Ah, thanks, I missed that. (Nitpicking is good, it reduces my confusion). I am relieved, really... although I am a tad disappointed too,for some reason.

by **Chief Wakamakamu** on Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:13 pm

If that letter had actually been legitimate, and sent by a character from Harry Potter, the implications would be really weird. All of a sudden, all our dreams that we were actually wizards might be true.

by **Scarab** on Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:15 pm

If that letter had actually been legitimate, and sent by a character from Harry Potter, the implications would be really weird. All of a sudden, all our dreams that we were actually wizards might be true.

Right. And so to might dragons, torture curses, and a magically-oriented Nazi out to murder us all. Legitimate causes for concern, really... I have a feeling our future problems may be a bit more complicated than that, though...

by **AceOfSpades** on Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:22 pm

I been looking over Mr. A's Twitter feed and most of it kind of disturbs me. It seems he is all about Anti-fiction. Preventing the fourth wall from breaking is one thing, but that tweet alone makes me feel he might be planning to exterminate any fictionals he finds.

by **Scarab** on Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:13 pm

I been looking over Mr. A's Twitter feed and most of it kind of disturbs me. It seems he is all about Anti-fiction. Preventing the fourth wall from breaking is one thing, but that tweet alone makes me feel he might be planning to exterminate any fictionals he finds.

Well then, maybe it's him who the fictionals are so afraid of? And because Mr. A has actively taken an interest in Joe, they consider Joe to be an equal threat, who may act in a similar fashion, hence their rather zealous reaction to his blog (I can't be the only one who thought those threats were seriously harsh right from the outset, and they never presented themselves in any other way). They assume he's as dangerous as a guy who wants to destroy them...

by **AceOfSpades** on Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:24 pm

Scarab wrote:
I been looking over Mr. A's Twitter feed and most of it kind of disturbs me. It seems he is all about Anti-fiction. Preventing the fourth wall from breaking is one thing, but that tweet alone makes me feel he might be planning to exterminate any fictionals he finds.

Well then, maybe it's him who the fictionals are so afraid of? And because Mr. A has actively taken an interest in Joe, they consider Joe to be an equal threat, who may act in a similar fashion, hence their rather zealous reaction to his blog (I can't be the only one who thought those threats were seriously harsh right from the outset, and they never presented themselves in any other way). They assume he's as dangerous as a guy who wants to destroy them...

Could be. I think the videos Mr. A make in regards to Joe were meant to draw attention to Joe. Mr. A hides his face and changes the subject, hell even taunts us when we ask who he is. He even considered Joe a copy cat of him. It's disgusting. Joe is pretty much a Para-journalist. He just wants to seek the truth and share it with the world.

by **Lordxana0** on Sat Sep 29, 2012 7:14 pm

So question is it just characters who cross over or can equipment to? I hate to see a bankrobber get a hold of a sonic screwdriver.

by **Scarab** on Sat Sep 29, 2012 7:19 pm

So question is it just characters who cross over or can equipment to? I hate to see a bankrobber get a hold of a sonic screwdriver.

Indeed. Or an insane man getting hold of a Genesis Device.

What we've seen so far hasn't been all that specific, give or take one or two, better known characters who appear to have made it across the breach.I'm not sure the individual elements of their reality could cross over as easily as the characters can, but perhaps eventually, if the wall breaks down enough.

by **Lordxana0** on Sat Sep 29, 2012 7:21 pm

Has anyone asked how Cheshire got here? I mean if all he did was walk through a portal or something I would hate to think what would happen if an airborn zombie virus got through.

by **Victin** on Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:10 pm

I've just realized something: [wmg] What if characters (or some of them) aren't 'passing' through the wall, and yes incarnating into real stuff, like the puppet and maybe Poirot (who said that he wasn't Poirot)? [wmg]

by **Lordxana0** on Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:12 pm

Victin wrote:I've just realized something: [wmg] What if characters (or some of them) aren't 'passing' through the wall, and yes incarnating into real stuff, like the puppet and maybe Poirot (who said that he wasn't Poirot)? [wmg]

We saw the princess come through the bolt of lightening so I don't think so.

by **Victin** on Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:25 pm

Lordxana0 wrote:
Victin wrote:I've just realized something: [wmg] What if characters (or some of them) aren't 'passing' through the wall, and yes incarnating into real stuff, like the puppet and maybe Poirot (who said that he wasn't Poirot)? [wmg]

We saw the princess come through the bolt of lightening so I don't think so.

I said some characters. And I think if someone already passed to the other side. If they are coming, why can't we go?

by **Lordxana0** on Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:36 pm

Well lets say they are activily coming across and not just accidently falling through. The other worlds have an abudence of magic and super science which we don't have. It is probably just that we don't have the ability to see these rifts to go through. Or maybe it is just a one way door.

by **Aster Azul** on Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:51 pm

Did we decide the puppet was Pinocchio? Or something much worse?

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