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Idea I had.

So far we've not really discussed how the wall was broken. The most it's been mentioned is that "something" on the other side broke it. So here's a suggestion.

What if the wall was broken from our side?

I reiterate: ...Shit.

NeverSlender wrote:Idea I had.

So far we've not really discussed how the wall was broken. The most it's been mentioned is that "something" on the other side broke it. So here's a suggestion.

What if the wall was broken from our side?

That was my first theory. But as I've said, I can't draw out a model supporting it.
Sounds solid, but how can we deffend this point? It makes some sense that someone here is pulling characters through the wall, but why? How? Since when?

Pixelmage wrote:

NeverSlender wrote:Idea I had.

So far we've not really discussed how the wall was broken. The most it's been mentioned is that "something" on the other side broke it. So here's a suggestion.

What if the wall was broken from our side?

That was my first theory. But as I've said, I can't draw out a model supporting it.
Sounds solid, but how can we deffend this point? It makes some sense that someone here is pulling characters through the wall, but why? How? Since when?

Exactly. The real issue here is the lack of information. Why don't we summarize what we have and determine if we can even speculate on this point at the current time?

There is not yet enough data to form an adequate theory. We don't even know what the nature of the wall is. Is it a physical wall? Is it one we can find and touch? Does it exist between dimensions? Is it a dimension itself? Or is it a metaphor?

For me, the question isn't so much how, as much as it is why? If we're assuming that it was broken by forces on this side of the wall intentionally, the question is why would they do that? What is there to gain? I imagine it could be many things. To find the treasure buried on Treasure Island. Or to kidnap King Midas and have an endless supply of gold. Maybe they want to find the fountain of youth and live forever. The possibilities are endless.

WackyMeetsPractical wrote:There is not yet enough data to form an adequate theory. We don't even know what the nature of the wall is. Is it a physical wall? Is it one we can find and touch? Does it exist between dimensions? Is it a dimension itself? Or is it a metaphor?

For me, the question isn't so much how, as much as it is why? If we're assuming that it was broken by forces on this side of the wall intentionally, the question is why would they do that? What is there to gain? I imagine it could be many things. To find the treasure buried on Treasure Island. Or to kidnap King Midas and have an endless supply of gold. Maybe they want to find the fountain of youth and live forever. The possibilities are endless.

Probably picked a bad title. It's not really about how, but what are the implications of someone/thing cracking it from our side.

Well first of all monsters, second of all magic, third of all space level tech. All of these things have a possibility of crossing over if the wall breaks.

Changed thread title to reflect what I actually want to discuss here.

NeverSlender wrote:Changed thread title to reflect what I actually want to discuss here.

Still kinda vague. Implications of what?

RotavatoR wrote:

NeverSlender wrote:Changed thread title to reflect what I actually want to discuss here.

Still kinda vague. Implications of what?

Refer to OP. What if the wall is being broken from our reality?

NeverSlender wrote:

RotavatoR wrote:

NeverSlender wrote:Changed thread title to reflect what I actually want to discuss here.

Still kinda vague. Implications of what?

Refer to OP. What if the wall is being broken from our reality?

I actually meant that people who see a thread called "Implications" won't get what it's about.

But if someone is breaking the wall from our reality then it will at least be easier to do research and field work. There should be evidence in reality for that, instead of in fiction.

You know the more I think about it the more likely this seems. We're the ones on the side of the wall that created all these fictions in the first place. Their unvierse exist because of our interference. It seems less likely, therefore, that any of them could have broken the wall from the inside, at least not without help from outside.

Fictions CAN'T manipulate reality. But we've been rewriting and manipualting them for centuries. We've been breaking fiction down in our heads for years. We've gotten to the point where people from reality are engaging directly with ficitonal characters (TV series based on people, online webseries where people play as characters, but are quite clearly being themselves, this very ARG, etc...)

Hell, maybe the wall breaking down just... started happening. We aren't strictly to blame, even if our actions caused it because we didn't know we were doing it. Remember the Therapist's early post on... what was it called again? Cooperative therapy, or something like that? Sorry I forget. But I remember her theory just about.

I'm not sure how to explain this, but I'll try : Ever since the creation of the internet the way we act and think about both reality and fiction, has completely changed. We are creating stories and forging cooperative efforts that as little as fifteen years ago, wouldn't have been possible. The pace of living too, has sped up by about a hundred -stories aren't limited to slow word of mouth or publishing in books and magazines: they can be thrown into the world extremely quickly via online blogs, writing websites, hell even fanfiction. Can you see people posting fifty odd pages worth of chatter on Sherlock Holmes a hundred years ago? Maybe, maybe not. But if they'd HAD the internet back then, they probably would've... the only thing we were limtied by was our physical capability. And we don't have that limit anymore. How we tell stories has changed.

My point is, maybe us doing all this work on a meta level has begun to have an impact on the physical? You've got all these ficitonal characters who have been talked about for years, and have seeped into popular consciousness... Mix it all together and what you've got is a seriously powerful sense of being.

The Fourth wall is the thing that protects fiction from reality (and perhaps vice versa), but maybe we created it, sunconsciously, to protect us from the confusion that results when reality and fiction merge. We NEED to be able to differentiate from reality and fiction or else... well, we go crazy, like Don Quixote.

Maybe at some point the Forth Wall WAS just an idea,a concept, but like how in Terry Pratchett novels beleiving in gods gives those gods power, us going on and on about the fourth wall for all these years amde it something tangible, something would COULD be physically shattered.

If that made any sense I will be very surprised...

Edited to add: sorry, wall of text.

NeverSlender wrote:Idea I had.

So far we've not really discussed how the wall was broken. The most it's been mentioned is that "something" on the other side broke it. So here's a suggestion.

What if the wall was broken from our side?

Yea I've suggested that before. No one agreed.

Guyshane wrote:

NeverSlender wrote:Idea I had.

So far we've not really discussed how the wall was broken. The most it's been mentioned is that "something" on the other side broke it. So here's a suggestion.

What if the wall was broken from our side?

Yea I've suggested that before. No one agreed.

I think it's starting to look more likely.

NeverSlender wrote:Idea I had.

So far we've not really discussed how the wall was broken. The most it's been mentioned is that "something" on the other side broke it. So here's a suggestion.

What if the wall was broken from our side?

I'd say this is a likely theory. It works to some extent (at least with my theories and some others I've read).

I think the reason for the wall's break is obvious: it's usual defender (who sits atop it reading comics) went on a long trip and once he got back he's been preoccupied battling The Thing. That left it open to attack. From which side of the wall, I do not know.

Sorry for my silliness, it's "Be a Girl Day," and my chosen Avatar is affecting my state of mind a little.

Dryunya wrote:Uh, I... I'm so sorry, I don't understand.

*tries to restrain herself... can't do it, leaps and huggles the heck out of Fluttershy!Dryu* Oh my god you are just so INCREDIBLY ADORABLE!!!

But essentially, we're trying to decide if the wall broke on this side, or on the other, right? I've considered the possibility that all our actions in the fictional world have somehow given whatever broke the wall strength and a tangible nature in the real world jsut by interferring with fiction as much as we do. Something previously metaphorical has become physical. Or something. I don't really get the other theories either.

Dryunya wrote:Uh, I... I'm so sorry, I don't understand.

Whoops, I'm super-duper-sorry. I was making a joke because Linkara's comic review show is called Atop the Fourth Wall, and he constantly deals with fictional beings. So maybe he was the protector, and because he's been slacking off the cracks have started. So, basically, I was being a silly. Also, hug.

*Hugs Dryunya*

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