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Re: Mr. A
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Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:54 pmby JackAlsworth
Dryunya wrote:Also, for some reason his today's behavior was... weird. I mean, he didn't even leave full stops at the end of his sentences.
It felt wrong. However, he seems better now. Maybe it was a careless instantiation.
I'm pretty sure any inconsistencies we notice in Mr. A's behavior will be explained with, "It was a [somehow weird] instansiation."
Re: Mr. A
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Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:00 pmby Scarab
JackAlsworth wrote:Dryunya wrote:Also, for some reason his today's behavior was... weird. I mean, he didn't even leave full stops at the end of his sentences.
It felt wrong. However, he seems better now. Maybe it was a careless instantiation.
I'm pretty sure any inconsistencies we notice in Mr. A's behavior will be explained with, "It was a [somehow weird] instansiation."
I think it's his excuse for everything, from Everyone's a Girl on the Internet Day, to bacon...
...Although I suspect ALL of the instantations like bacon, I mean, come on. It's bacon.
Re: Mr. A
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Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:17 amby Terrac1
JackAlsworth wrote:I'm pretty sure any inconsistencies we notice in Mr. A's behavior will be explained with, "It was a [somehow weird] instansiation."
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ActuallyADoombot
Re: Mr. A
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:20 amby jacktheriffer
You know, I just remembered something. Back when the Therapist URL letters were sent, there was another piece of paper from Mark. He wrote a message that said something along the lines of, "Don't trust Mr. A. He likes to manipulate people for his own personal gain." That got me thinking, what if we're falling into a trap?
I might be either paranoid, or genre savvy. Or possibly both.
Re: Mr. A
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:24 amby Genndy Oda C.O.G.
Perhaps nothing bad will happen to us if the fourth wall is destroyed, but Mr. Administrator could die from it.
Re: Mr. A
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:45 pmby Scarab
Genndy Oda C.O.G. wrote:Perhaps nothing bad will happen to us if the fourth wall is destroyed, but Mr. Administrator could die from it.
Hm... I dunno it definitely seems to have an active effect on our world, at least, but this would certainly explain why he's so personally invested in it (then again, it IS his job to protect the wall, so it just as likely comes down to that.)
We've all been more worried about you know, reality collapsing in on itself, but now I'm wondering what will happen to all of the Instantations if the Wall Falls?
Re: Mr. A
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:48 pmby Genndy Oda C.O.G.
Well, the fourth wall is where Mr. Administrator and all of his instantiations reside. Imagine your entire plane of existence crumbling around you. I don't think they'd survive.
Re: Mr. A
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:43 pmby Qara-Xuan Zenith
Scarab wrote:We've all been more worried about you know, reality collapsing in on itself, but now I'm wondering what will happen to all of the Instantations if the Wall Falls?
I'm sure if nothing else, all the instantiations involved in PREVENTING this from happening will be terminated by Prime.
You Have Outlived Your Usefulness and all that.
Re: Mr. A
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:02 pmby Pixelmage
However, he seems to live within the wall, therefore, if there is no more wall, there would be no more Mr. A.
Re: Mr. A
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:05 pmby Genndy Oda C.O.G.
And that may be the true reason we are doing all of this:
jacktheriffer wrote:You know, I just remembered something. Back when the Therapist URL letters were sent, there was another piece of paper from Mark. He wrote a message that said something along the lines of, "Don't trust Mr. A. He likes to manipulate people for his own personal gain." That got me thinking, what if we're falling into a trap?
I might be either paranoid, or genre savvy. Or possibly both.
Re: Mr. A
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:56 pmby Scarab
Qara-Xuan Zenith wrote:Scarab wrote:We've all been more worried about you know, reality collapsing in on itself, but now I'm wondering what will happen to all of the Instantations if the Wall Falls?
I'm sure if nothing else, all the instantiations involved in PREVENTING this from happening will be terminated by Prime.
You Have Outlived Your Usefulness and all that.
Seems likely, assuming he doesn't get destroyed by the wall vanishing before he has the chance to do so. Either way they won't get lucky.
Re: Mr. A
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:53 pmby TheJester
Imma post a theory I made a while ago.
What if Mr. A is a universal computer program with a central motherboard. When the fourth wall began cracking and fictionals began to pour into our realm, the motherboard of the universal CPU deemed the fictionals a "Virus" per say and is now trying to root it out.
Or Mr. A is a fictional himself who is lying about who he is.
Either way I still don't trust him. I honestly think he is trying to get the fictionals back into the fourth wall for personal gain reasons and not valiant ones. I think Joe is just eating up Mr. A's words out of fear, and I absolutely refuse to help someone who doesn't even give information to the people he wants help from. If he is so powerful, why can't he solve this problem himself? I bet you it is because he isn't who he says he is. He provides no proof for a single thing he says and orders you all around like you are his subordinates. And when the Cabal asks for help he insults them and declares them an enemy. Disgusting...
Re: Mr. A
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:11 pmby Qara-Xuan Zenith
Ever read Discworld (I doubt it)?
Mr A can't solve the problem himself because he can't directly interact with this world beyond simple communication-- much like Death in Discworld has to enlist his human granddaughter in order to save the world a couple of times, since he's not "allowed" to directly meddle himself.
As for the rest of your argument-- I'm really sick of beating a dead horse, but I'll say this:
There is NO POINT to distrusting Mr. A. We're only in this game because of Mr. A; the spam packages and the grave announcement that got things going were both from him. If you don't believe him, you might as well not play, because if you didn't believe him at the START, you WOULDN'T be playing.
...anyway, that's how I feel about it. I'll shut up now.
Re: Mr. A
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:14 pmby WackyMeetsPractical
Qara-Xuan Zenith wrote:Ever read Discworld (I doubt it)?
Mr A can't solve the problem himself because he can't directly interact with this world beyond simple communication-- much like Death in Discworld has to enlist his human granddaughter in order to save the world a couple of times, since he's not "allowed" to directly meddle himself.
As for the rest of your argument-- I'm really sick of beating a dead horse, but I'll say this:
There is NO POINT to distrusting Mr. A. We're only in this game because of Mr. A; the spam packages and the grave announcement that got things going were both from him. If you don't believe him, you might as well not play, because if you didn't believe him at the START, you WOULDN'T be playing.
...anyway, that's how I feel about it. I'll shut up now.
Although I personally choose to trust Mr. A, it's not WRONG to distrust him. After all, the game itself does give some reasons to distrust him, such as Mark's handwritten note and Erik's plea not to trust him. But I agree, if we lose trust in Mr. A and decide not to obey him anymore, the game stalls. Which is not good. But as long as there are some people willing to follow him, then the game can't stall. So that's good.
Re: Mr. A
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:37 pmby Sicon112
TheJester wrote:Imma post a theory I made a while ago.
What if Mr. A is a universal computer program with a central motherboard. When the fourth wall began cracking and fictionals began to pour into our realm, the motherboard of the universal CPU deemed the fictionals a "Virus" per say and is now trying to root it out.
Or Mr. A is a fictional himself who is lying about who he is.
Either way I still don't trust him. I honestly think he is trying to get the fictionals back into the fourth wall for personal gain reasons and not valiant ones. I think Joe is just eating up Mr. A's words out of fear, and I absolutely refuse to help someone who doesn't even give information to the people he wants help from. If he is so powerful, why can't he solve this problem himself? I bet you it is because he isn't who he says he is. He provides no proof for a single thing he says and orders you all around like you are his subordinates. And when the Cabal asks for help he insults them and declares them an enemy. Disgusting...
I would just like to point out that the only thing we have to suggest that Mr. A is lying is a letter from someone who is, by all accounts, a giant douchebag with a grudge. Other than that, there is zero proof that Mr. A is lying, and so far all of the information he has given us is avoids any self contradiction.
I won't even get into the fact that the freedom they hold in this world is entirely subjective to their point of view, and in reality our refictionalization process would amount to the same level of freedom regardless, and that there is absolutely no POINT to having Mr. A lie. I mean, he has no motivation at ALL.
Re: Mr. A
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:53 pmby Dryunya
I'd put it like this: meta-wise, we can choose not to trust Mr. A, but until we get some explicit, game-dictated course to oppose him, our only option is to follow, because Mr. A is who makes the plot happen. If we don't get such a course, and there's a trap at the end, Failure Is The Only Option. Sad, but true.
Also, as I've noted, Mr. A rarely lies (and the actual misinformation usually gets written off on the differencies between the instantiations). Most of what he says is canon. Back when we didn't know that, we got rEALITY on our hands.
So, until we get a letter from Cabal that says "if you don't trust him, write sdlfhsd;fjhdsf;sdhfsd in twitter and he'll die" or something, we have to obey.
Re: Mr. A
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:54 pmby Scarab
Dryunya wrote:I'd put it like this: meta-wise, we can choose not to trust Mr. A, but until we get some explicit, game-dictated course to oppose him, our only option is to follow, because Mr. A is who makes the plot happen. If we don't get such a course, and there's a trap at the end, Failure Is The Only Option. Sad, but true.
Also, as I've noted, Mr. A rarely lies (and the actual misinformation usually gets written off on the differencies between the instantiations). Most of what he says is canon. Back when we didn't know that, we got rEALITY on our hands.
So, until we get a letter from Cabal that says "if you don't trust him, write sdlfhsd;fjhdsf;sdhfsd in twitter and he'll die" or something, we have to obey.
That was what I was thinking, we kind of just have to play the game here, in a Meta sense, maybe something will crop up later on and we'll all get our own personal "My God What Have We Done?" moment or something, but that's up to the GMs. For now all we can do is try not to be jerks to the characters we have to send home.
A couple of us recently asked him what would happen to him and the Instantations should the wall fall. His response was:
Mr A wrote:@DemosthenesWall @GlyphSun IF IT FALLS, YOU WILL NOT BE AROUND TO FIND OUT.
...Hm.
I'm guessing
something happens, then, if only because he circumnavigated the question.
Re: Mr. A
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:09 pmby WackyMeetsPractical
Scarab wrote:Dryunya wrote:I'd put it like this: meta-wise, we can choose not to trust Mr. A, but until we get some explicit, game-dictated course to oppose him, our only option is to follow, because Mr. A is who makes the plot happen. If we don't get such a course, and there's a trap at the end, Failure Is The Only Option. Sad, but true.
Also, as I've noted, Mr. A rarely lies (and the actual misinformation usually gets written off on the differencies between the instantiations). Most of what he says is canon. Back when we didn't know that, we got rEALITY on our hands.
So, until we get a letter from Cabal that says "if you don't trust him, write sdlfhsd;fjhdsf;sdhfsd in twitter and he'll die" or something, we have to obey.
That was what I was thinking, we kind of just have to play the game here, in a Meta sense, maybe something will crop up later on and we'll all get our own personal "My God What Have We Done?" moment or something, but that's up to the GMs. For now all we can do is try not to be jerks to the characters we have to send home.
A couple of us recently asked him what would happen to him and the Instantations should the wall fall. His response was:
Mr A wrote:@DemosthenesWall @GlyphSun IF IT FALLS, YOU WILL NOT BE AROUND TO FIND OUT.
...Hm.
I'm guessing
something happens, then, if only because he circumnavigated the question.
To be fair, he had already answered this same question in a more direct way during the previous AMA. The answer was along the lines of "WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN, AND WE ASSUME WE WILL CONTINUE TO BE." This, combined with some of his other answers gave me the impression that he was trying to say "Nothing will happen to us, but you guys will be gone, and then we'd have nothing to watch on our TVs."
Re: Mr. A
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:18 pmby Qara-Xuan Zenith
I'm looking at the question on a more individual level-- A-Prime and Mr A in GENERAL will continue to be, but a couple of instantiations might be terminated for messing up.
Re: Mr. A
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:22 pmby H22
Ah well.
Re: Mr. A
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:59 pmby eli_gone_crazy
jacktheriffer wrote:You know, I just remembered something. Back when the Therapist URL letters were sent, there was another piece of paper from Mark. He wrote a message that said something along the lines of, "Don't trust Mr. A. He likes to manipulate people for his own personal gain." That got me thinking, what if we're falling into a trap?
I might be either paranoid, or genre savvy. Or possibly both.
I dunno.
the A's I've spoken too were mostly pretty cool.
Re: Mr. A
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Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:02 amby Scarab
eli_gone_crazy wrote:jacktheriffer wrote:You know, I just remembered something. Back when the Therapist URL letters were sent, there was another piece of paper from Mark. He wrote a message that said something along the lines of, "Don't trust Mr. A. He likes to manipulate people for his own personal gain." That got me thinking, what if we're falling into a trap?
I might be either paranoid, or genre savvy. Or possibly both.
I dunno.
the A's I've spoken too were mostly pretty cool.
They are also quite willing to dinsitnergrate anybody who doesn't do what they're told. That said he's getting better at being hoenst when we prod him a little.
Granted, Mister A gained a few points for linking me to black comedy shots starring former Star Trek TNG characters but LIKING the guy doesn't mean I trust him.
Re: Mr. A
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Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:11 amby Qara-Xuan Zenith
...This doesn't look good.
I know I've been one of A's most ardent supporters, and I will STILL stand by him until I see something to indicate otherwise... but I'm worried I WILL soon (and when that comes, I'm keeping an open mind).
See the pan statues thread-- A is trying to prevent us from seeing that letter.
It could be nothing.
But I wish he'd said something like "there's a letter at those statues, but don't trust it, it's filled with lies." Even something blatant like that is better than just trying to HIDE something from us. That implies he doesn't TRUST us.
Ah, well. We'll find out soon enough, once we get those letters.
Re: Mr. A
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Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:17 amby narrativedilettante
I definitely think that, if it's convenient (such as for Zup), people should investigate the statues. It doesn't make any sense to ignore a possible lead, and it's possible that Mr. A is trying to prevent us from finding out something that could turn us against him. After all, this locator was on Pheeble, and it could be the Cabal's way of sending us a message regarding something they know about Mr. A that we don't.
However, while Mr. A's tweets on the subject do seem suspicious, I think it's entirely possible that it's just not time yet to do anything with them. Maybe they don't contain Echoes, maybe there's no letter or anything for a metaguard to find there. Maybe after we get Pan acquitted he'll have to go to one of the statues, one of his "soft spots," and that's where he can be refictionalized.
...Of course, it wouldn't make any sense for the Cabal to give us that information, so that would be confusing, too.
Re: Mr. A
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Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:34 pmby eli_gone_crazy
After reading the tweets, there IS something there. Just know that I think that a really is trying to help.