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I'll take a look at them in the morning. All my gambitting skills are slowly dying now that I have run out of caffeine. After I get myself up to speed, I will try and do some information fishing. No promises on how effective it will be though, since Mr. A is about to read this post anyway.

Hi Mr. A!

Sicon112 wrote:I'll take a look at them in the morning. All my gambitting skills are slowly dying now that I have run out of caffeine. After I get myself up to speed, I will try and do some information fishing. No promises on how effective it will be though, since Mr. A is about to read this post anyway.

Hi Mr. A!

HELLO, SICON 112.

YES, WE HAVE BEEN MONITORING YOUR DISCUSSION. WE WERE TRYING THE HANDS-OFF THING SINCE WE WERE DENIED OUR RIGHTFUL PLACE AS ADMINISTRATOR. IF YOU HAD JUST ASKED US AS SUGGESTED AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS THREAD, WE WOULD SAY IT WAS JUST A BUTTON. WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO CROSS OUR ARMS WITHOUT BEING SCRUTINIZED, THOUGH WE ARE NOT BOTHERED BY YOUR ATTEMPTS TO INCUR OUR WRATH.

We aren't trying to invoke anyone's wrath, we just notice you have a funny way of filming your messages, is all. Excuse us for trying to think "OUTSIDE THE BOX," as you might put it. (Get it, all caps, and all that jazz.) Good day, Mr. A.

THE ARM CROSSING THING IS NOT A BOTHER. WE EXPECT YOU TO EXAMINE EVERY DETAIL, THAT IS WHY WE RECRUITED YOU.

WE ARE, HOWEVER, NOT LOSING OUR MINDS. IT IS THIS THEORY WE TAKE LESS KINDLY TO.

OF COURSE, THAT IS WHAT WE WOULD SAY IF WE WERE LOSING OUR MINDS... BUT NEVER YOU MIND THAT.

I don't like the phrase "INCUR OUR WRATH" as I don't think it is appropriate to describe what I was doing. To be honest, all I was trying to do was incur you doing SOMETHING, which, as this conversation indicates, I succeeded at. Anything else?

Yeah, lets keep this "INCUR OUR WRATH" convo going. I'm calling your bluff Mr. (SoCalled) Administrator. If you can't be an Admin on this forum, then you and your instantiations don't deserve to be Admins ANYWHERE! The worst 'Wrath' you're capable of is TYPING IN ALL CAPS and saying things like "IT IS OUR CHOICE OF WHEN AND WHERE WE CHOOSE TO BLAH BLAH BLABBITY BLAH."
To which I will reply "Told ya so." and be spared any and all 'Wrath'.
But c'mon, prove me wrong, get all wrathy and vengeful like. Get your Khan on. KHHAAANNNNN!!!

We don't think you are insane Admin Prime keeper of the fourth wall, we are just worried that the stress of the wall breaking might be putting you on edge. Would hate to see you falling to pieces.

By the by as long as you are here what is the button used for?

I would assume holding his coat together in front. (Wrong kind of button, Xana. XD)

I see. Yeah that was my dumb mistake. My fault for still being awake this late. Roam around for a few more minutes then off the neverland to meet up with the sleep fairy.

Ditto. How the hell I'm still functioning is a mystery to me.

Mr. Administrator wrote:WE ARE, HOWEVER, NOT LOSING OUR MINDS.THAT IS WHAT WE WOULD SAY IF WE WERE LOSING OUR MINDS... BUT NEVER YOU MIND THAT.

This is what really gets me. The Administrators are losing their minds, and they are not doing a good job of hiding it. Maybe there's more to this "They are the Wall" theory. Let's expand upon that, shall we?

This is what really gets me. The Administrators are losing their minds, and they are not doing a good job of hiding it. Maybe there's more to this "They are the Wall" theory. Let's expand upon that, shall we?

I'm with you. Something is up with these guys and all their infinite layers... It would explain both Mr. A's extreme reaction to the idea of the wall breaking down, and fits together a few other vague things that may or may not be relevant - his pause at 0:18 secs in the last video for example.

With the infinite layers thing, could it be one layer for each separate fictional reality, and there's one instantiation guarding each reality?

When they were mentioning the reality layers, I believe they meant the nesting number of the Echo Chamber. There is IRL Tom and Dana, who are writing a show (Layer 0) about Tom and Dana who are writing a show (Layer 1) about Tom and Dana who are writing a show (Layer 2), ad infinitum. Of course, there may be other layers for other fiction, but my opinion is: if the show has a show within it, that show occupies a separate layer.
Now I have no idea how the characters from different universes interact.

I think the best way to understand how the fiction and reality interacts is to see reality as 'fiction', and the to imagine a metaphorical place in which we have a near-infinite number of portals, each one taking to a different dimention (read: fictional universe), with one near the center that connects this place to the real world. We continue from now on trying to understand how travelers and the portals interact, so we can understand how characters and universes do so.

I don't think it is possible to make guesses without canon. Taking what is canon - the Echo Chamber - that part of the show that we get to see may be fictional (there is no information about the layer, and the idea of Mr. A was to make Tom and Dana fictional), and there are no portals and whatnot. The universes may be completely independent and unable to intersect without crossing the Void, or whatever. Consider that my guess.

Well, I officially have no idea who to trust right now, although it doesn't take a great deal to confuse me.

Mr. A's recent tweets say that he doesn't want anybody to get hurt, that all they want is to send these characters back where they belong, and I want to believe that, but we all watched the Echo Chamber episode Mind Screw and at least one person was vapourised for being overly amsued by the word Gurt, seems kinda disproportionate retribution. Then there's Joe. Deliberately drawing attention to him made him a target for the anger of countless people who we presume are the fictional characters, putting him in danger...

There's a possibility that it's Mister Administrator's intentions the characters are afraid of. But what are those intentions? Does he really just want to send them back where they belong and re-establish the reality/fiction balance? Is that what the characters are so afraid of: going back?

Help us out here, Mister A: what exacly is it that you're trying to accomplish and can't you give us more information with regards to stopping what is, presumably, a catastrophic mingling of reality and fiction? Not trying to be rude, but if you want to help us, or for us to help you, (we're all pretty invested in Reality Not Collapsing or Anything, I mean we live here, all our stuff is here), why be so mysterious and vague? If you want our trust, if we have the same goals, then why not give clearler information? Why all the secrecy and misdirection?

Could Echo Chamber have caused the cracks? Making Tom and Dana fictional means they could have gone to the other side of the wall.

Could Echo Chamber have caused the cracks? Making Tom and Dana fictional means they could have gone to the other side of the wall.

Possibly... maybe this is what happens when you have people who are treading the line between fiction and reality by making a fictional show with THEMSELVES as characters? I keep using the yogscast and other minecraft based series here because they're the only example I'm familiar with: people who are playing characters, yet quite obviously remain themselves throughout the process, thus breaking the forth wall in every single posted video. Could that do damage?

By the way, who 'comissioned' Echo Chamber in the first place? I forget... was it Tom's idea, or did the Administrator set the ball rolling? And if so, why? If Echo Chamber caused the problem in the first place AND Mister A. Had something to do with Echo Chamber coming into being, how can we honestly trust him without getting an explanation as to why?

NeverSlender wrote:Could Echo Chamber have caused the cracks? Making Tom and Dana fictional means they could have gone to the other side of the wall.

It's one of the theories. After all, season 2 ends on them trying to retcon Zack's departure. I don't think Tom & Dana crossed the wall - I think it's more like building a layer above them. Or something.

(Correct me if I'm wrong.)

Mr. A commissioned it for the purpose of making Tom and Dana fictional.

IRL, the show was started as per Fast Eddie's request (for those unfamiliar, he's a TV Tropes admin). In the show itself, they work for Mr. A. In fact, Mr. A being Fast Eddie is one of the WMG theories (they don't look like each other IRL, though).

By the way, who 'comissioned' Echo Chamber in the first place? I forget... was it Tom's idea, or did the Administrator set the ball rolling? And if so, why? If Echo Chamber caused the problem in the first place AND Mister A. Had something to do with Echo Chamber coming into being, how can we honestly trust him without getting an explanation as to why?

Tom says Mr. A approached him to do a vlog in one of the early episodes. "Mind Screw" lets us know that Mr. A was intentionally messing with the nature of fiction and reality in order to study it. He could be malevolent, and purposefully damaging the fourth wall and manipulating us into causing more damage while making us think we're fixing the problem. OR, it could be that he saw some sort of threat approaching, and wanted to prepare himself for problems like the ones that are happening now.

Mr. Administrator wrote:THE ARM CROSSING THING IS NOT A BOTHER. WE EXPECT YOU TO EXAMINE EVERY DETAIL, THAT IS WHY WE RECRUITED YOU.

WE ARE, HOWEVER, NOT LOSING OUR MINDS. IT IS THIS THEORY WE TAKE LESS KINDLY TO.

OF COURSE, THAT IS WHAT WE WOULD SAY IF WE WERE LOSING OUR MINDS... BUT NEVER YOU MIND THAT.

Can't parts of you lose their minds? I mean, you're like, a bunch of different guys aren't you? Or are we talking to the alpha here.

Ya know what, what's the point in asking, not like I can 100% trust any answer I get.

Mr. Administrator wrote:THE ARM CROSSING THING IS NOT A BOTHER. WE EXPECT YOU TO EXAMINE EVERY DETAIL, THAT IS WHY WE RECRUITED YOU.

WE ARE, HOWEVER, NOT LOSING OUR MINDS. IT IS THIS THEORY WE TAKE LESS KINDLY TO.

OF COURSE, THAT IS WHAT WE WOULD SAY IF WE WERE LOSING OUR MINDS... BUT NEVER YOU MIND THAT.

But, Mr. A, was the shot of the hands added in afterwords? The shot seems to come in as you was possibly interrupted, thus explaining your sigh and annoyed demeanor after the hand shot.