Another theory on the fall of the wall

[ElevenMinus10]

To begin this will mostly be a wall of text filled with assumptions on what I seen so far and the type of 'thing' the wall is
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Before we begin Id like to talk about the wall itself, or how it came into being.
As we all know that particular wall was made to separate the real from the fictional, therefore It may have begun in the times when the first creatures to have been 'scientifically' able to create fiction (or imagine) began to exist. Id take the human ability to imagine as a humans ability to create anything out of nothing. Originally there might not have been a wall. The humans might have coexisted with their imaginary creations, or their fictionals. But there might have come a time where they created somthing terrifying (maybe a god, a monster, or an abomination the likes of which we do not know) and didn't know what to do with it. So in order to deal with it they used their imagineitve abilities transport the fictionals to another plane of existence(any where but here really my guess is the mind) and used the more powerful end of their imaginations to seal them inside, creating the fourth wall. Every being on the planet with an imagination, unknowingly adds the part of their imagination that can form physical beings to the wall to keep their own thoughts from breaching.

So in short the wall might be a creation of the human mind using the power of imagination to seal away the fictionals

Now as to how its breaking, have you ever asked yourself, what if x were real? or i wish i could live in X? or the world of x?
replace x with the name of your favorite fictional story. What I percive is happening is that everytime we have a fantasy or wish that we lived in a fictional world, we are willingly withdrawing our power from the collective work that is the fourth wall, thus producing cracks, allowing certain things relating to that fantasy to come out.

We break the wall by wishing it to be broken (withdrawing our imaginitve powers from it, wish ficiton was real)

The reason the characters wont leave might be that someone brought them here, someone wished them to be here, and such they feel like they deserve to be here.

This is just a theory but I liked it as an alternative to the monster

[AceOfSpades]

Another theory about that would be, that well while people debate over this. 2012 has some significance, not in end of the world standards. One of the things I always believed is one simple sentence: What was once kept hidden, shall reveal it self, when the time is right.

[Dryunya]

It's good to have another perspective, but I don't think that it makes sense. I don't know if I can disprove that "there was no wall in the beginning" bit, but the second one is easier: there were times when the people would be more eager to bring fiction to life, like economical depressions, or something, and thus the current events would be more likely to take place in times like these. Why would we wish to break the wall now more than ever?

Oh wait. 2012. Keep up the speculation, then...

[AceOfSpades]

It's good to have another perspective, but I don't think that it makes sense. I don't know if I can disprove that "there was no wall in the beginning" bit, but the second one is easier: there were times when the people would be more eager to bring fiction to life, like economical depressions, or something, and thus the current events would be more likely to take place in times like these. Why would we wish to break the wall now more than ever?

Oh wait. 2012. Keep up the speculation, then...

What I am saying is that odds are that these characters come to this reality all the time, but we just never knew it until now. That's the hidden part. The reveal was when someone managed to video tape them on their most recent excursions. Whilst the year is because in this world alone, many people have been either debating, building up on both sides or causing wide spread panic over it that as a result, anything that we heard of might reveal itself publicly for the first time ever.

[Dryunya]

What I am saying is that odds are that these characters come to this reality all the time, but we just never knew it until now.

Reductio ad absurdum:
I watch the Transformers movie. I think "holy shit if they existed it would be so awesome", and so do thousands of other viewers. Transformers come to life. Have you seen any transformers around lately?
Thought so.

[AceOfSpades]

No but think of all the times before movies and television, or the internet in general were invented. All people had were books, scrolls, arts of all kind and hearsay. Most of that hearsay claims of creatures that shouldn't be. Vampires, Werewolves, the dead rising from the grave. Were they there because people were talking about them/secretly wishing to see something so unbelievable, or were they there the entire time?

[Dryunya]

That's my point. It is the internet age now, where all sightings of the characters can be shared worldwide (That's exactly what we're doing here), and no one sees any weird stuff like this. AND there are far more people wishing for zombies, vampires and whatnot to be true, because the movies are doing a good job of making them look awesome. Not to mention the giant robots. I want a giant robot. Why haven't I seen any giant robots yet?

[Pixelmage]

I'd rather think that it's not the fictional coming to our world. It's more likely WE are tapping into the fictional world.

Take Middle Earth for instance: The sheer physical space is a lot bigger than our puny earth. If it comes here there's not enough space to fit it, and then again there's Runaterra, Valhalla, The Nevernever, Carna, The Land of Oz and that recursive dreamscape from Inception. You know I could go on for ages.

I would rather think that instead of something there throwing stuff here, something here is "fishing" certain characters:
Why Cheshire, the least helpful and most confusing and infuriating of the possible help we could get is the one here of all the fucks?
Why not Professor Layton? Or Holmes? Or Harry Dresden? Or SOMEONE who would try to "do the right thing" and actively help us figure this out?

Sure, there's Poirot, but he does not seem here. He act's as if he's in his plane and what we see is just a theatrical performance through a broadcasting: He's not on Real!Earth talking to Real!People: only his case files seem to get here.

It's not very likely that they are randomly spawning here: The pool of characters is too big for only the unhelpful to make it.

It's not very likely that they are actively trying to come here: Again, the pool of characters is way too big for only a few to make it, just in 2012 there's probably a few thousands of newborn fictional characters. Plot that back through history and the number of characters on our side is statiscally ZERO.

If only the smartest and most genre savvy make it through the wall, then it's ok that Cheshire and Poirot are here and Billy the Werewolf is not. But assuming so, WHERE IS DEADPOOL? That guy lives in the cracks of the 4th wall, if they can jump here without help from our side, why would he NOT be here already, and making a show of it no less?

So, it comes down to someone here that is summoning these specific characters for some reason. Perhaps to break the wall and blend everything together, powerplay trying to summon a gennie and gain superpowers, for the lulz or whatever. But it's definitly on our end.

Also: Anthropomorphic Personifications. If the Fourth Wall manifests as a person. It's mental instability could lead to such strangeness. One candidate to such role would be Mr. A, of course.
And then there's Joe himself, Haruhi Suzimiya style: He wishes to find the strange things in the world just like she wanted Aliens, Time Travellers and Espers. Food for thought.

[Dryunya]

The "Joe = Haruhi" theory has been around for a while, as a half-joke. But that is an interesting theory. I don't know who can draw the characters out like this, though, and I can't really think about it right now - I'm verbing a different noun.

Oh, by the way. Mr. A has, at the very beginning, said that Joe is "quite average" (it's even in his name, if you haven't noticed ). If you trust Mr. A to at least give us proper exposition at the beginning, then it contradicts the Reality Warper Joe theory.

[AceOfSpades]

That's my point. It is the internet age now, where all sightings of the characters can be shared worldwide (That's exactly what we're doing here), and no one sees any weird stuff like this. AND there are far more people wishing for zombies, vampires and whatnot to be true, because the movies are doing a good job of making them look awesome. Not to mention the giant robots. I want a giant robot. Why haven't I seen any giant robots yet?

There's a Gundam in the middle of Japan. It's a moving statue, but it counts. Who knows it could really be the real thing and Amuro Ray is hiding in it.

[Dryunya]

I thought you'd mention it. For all we know, it's pretty real, as in "it was constructed in the real world". It could become an actual Gundam if one "transfers" into in from the other side, as we think may have happened with those puppets. But, well, it's a robot statue. It can't function like an actual Gundam, as far as we know.

[Pixelmage]

Oh, by the way. Mr. A has, at the very beginning, said that Joe is "quite average" (it's even in his name, if you haven't noticed ). If you trust Mr. A to at least give us proper exposition at the beginning, then it contradicts the Reality Warper Joe theory.

That assumes Mr. A as a reliable narrator. He never fully discloses everything he knows, and IF we go with the "Jaruhi" theory, then Joe could've set Mr. A to think of him as Average, making it a still valid path.

But I don't really think it's the case. It's not very interesting if it is. To free-quote Richard Castle: "It makes a better story if Joe is innocent." It was just too obvious to avoid mentioning.

EDIT: Forgot to mention, I'd honestly rather follow the Cheshire than Mr. A if given a choice. He's just that weird. Also, I like cats.

[AceOfSpades]

I thought you'd mention it. For all we know, it's pretty real, as in "it was constructed in the real world". It could become an actual Gundam if one "transfers" into in from the other side, as we think may have happened with those puppets. But, well, it's a robot statue. It can't function like an actual Gundam, as far as we know.

I mentioned it mostly because you were lamenting, but you are on to something there. So far only the head and eyes move on that statue. Even if Amuro were to go into the world he would be only able to move those. But he's an expert mechanic as well so he might find away to make the rest of it. As for your theory, it's similar to one I discussed with an old advisor of mine. Basically a way for a flesh and blood fictional to exist in this world, would be if they had a double that was born in this universe.

[NeverSlender]

Where did Joe get the puppets? What if they didn't come through the wall and become Joe's puppets but came through a while ago and were waiting to be picked up? Joe said he started the series because of them. What if they were supposed to choose someone to do this?

[Dryunya]

Joe didn't "get" the puppets. He said he was just looking around in an antique shop in Prague, and didn't see anything suspicious until he reviewed the footage at home. Then he basically thought "holy cow, I need to upload this", and so it began.

[NeverSlender]

(That was quick, I deleted it straight away.)

It could still be that they were waiting for someone to notice and pick up on this stuff.

[AceOfSpades]

Joe didn't "get" the puppets. He said he was just looking around in an antique shop in Prague, and didn't see anything suspicious until he reviewed the footage at home. Then he basically thought "holy cow, I need to upload this", and so it began.

Did you say Prague? I might be jumping to conclusions, but those puppets could be Golems.

[SaigoSentinel]

That's my point. It is the internet age now, where all sightings of the characters can be shared worldwide (That's exactly what we're doing here), and no one sees any weird stuff like this. AND there are far more people wishing for zombies, vampires and whatnot to be true, because the movies are doing a good job of making them look awesome. Not to mention the giant robots. I want a giant robot. Why haven't I seen any giant robots yet?

Point in Case: http://suidobashijuko.jp/

[Sicon112]

In reply to the OP, I just have some speculation. The argument is a pretty interesting one, but you guys didn't take one factor into account.

Basically, even when, to take an example from Dryu, we watch Transformers and think "Wow, I wish they were real!" a part of our mind, on a level close to our subconscious, is fully aware that that is impossible because of the laws of the world we grew up in. In other words, if the OP is true, there would not be nearly so many people damaging the fourth wall as you might think, as all but a few of them, at the end of the day, are firmly rooted in our 'reality'.

This does present a problem with the OP though. If the fourth wall did work as theorized here, would it have not broken down sometime in ancient history, a time when almost all of the population truly believed in the supernatural?

In any case, I'm just speculating stream of consciousness style here, in an attempt to give you guys a hand.

EDIT:

Point in Case: http://suidobashijuko.jp/

I freaking love the Japanese.

[Dryunya]

Point in Case: http://suidobashijuko.jp/

Oh, I've seen this. It does look awesome, but it clearly says at the beginning of the video that it's an "entertainment product" or something. The singularity is at our doorstep, though.
And I hope you don't mean that Kuratas came from behind the wall.

[SaigoSentinel]

Who knows? Maybe...?

[ElevenMinus10]

This does present a problem with the OP though. If the fourth wall did work as theorized here, would it have not broken down sometime in ancient history, a time when almost all of the population truly believed in the supernatural?

In response to this id like to say that my theory is that the fourth wall was created to seperate the real from the fictional at some point i theorized cave men age, but if memory serves people were being slaughtered by God(s) left right up and down until the early christian era where they seemed to drop off the map entirely

**edit: err late christian era near the rise of logic, forgot that the medieval period was full of dragons and wizards

[AceOfSpades]

Funny you mention dragons, a bout 5 years ago I once stumbled upon a documentary discovery did. They found a skeleton and a frozen corpse of what appeared to be dragons. They even tested the preserved samples and fluids to see if some were flammable.

[ElevenMinus10]

I saw that too found it in an snowy mountain no?

That was a while ago and on the discovery channel O.0 these guys play long ball

[Endless Sea]

Eh, I never really believed that the wall was actually created, so much as it came naturally with any work of fiction. Essentially, the fourth wall is (an inherent part of?) what makes fiction, well, fiction. Take away the wall, and fiction begins to meld with reality.

The part where it gets tricky is when the fourth wall gets introduced into a work of fiction itself. I try not to think about that sort of thing too much, but considering it's a plot point now, I can't exactly avoid it here, can I?