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hey everyone

I'll make this quick, seeing how we have a time limit and all ♪

I think it might be in our best interest to defictionalize another character for our benefit. I've talked to Mr. Administrator about it and he said it was possible, but counterproductive (since we have Holmes and Poirot helping us). As true as this is, we only have 20 days to find 13 echoes (less than that, for Quixote) AND THIS IS ASSUMING we don't find Holmes' or Poirot's echo first and they are willing to help until the end.

I've talked with a few friends about this, and I think it would be best character to defictionalize King Arthur. Doing so would lure La Fay from the Cabal long enough to take action concerning her (and possibly emotionally compromise Moriarty). ♪

But I wanna hear everyone's input on this and make sure a move like that would be smart and effective in our case (making sure it's a good idea in our current circumstances and if King Arthur would be the best character to defictionalize).

also, I'm new here and to my knowledge a topic like this has yet to be brought up. So if this is the wrong board to put a topic like this just kindly point that out and I'll be more careful in the future ♪

I'm pretty sure this is a terrible idea. If we deficitionalize a character, there's no guarantee we'll be able to refictionalize them before the 21st, so we'd be increasing the chances that our entire world would be destroyed.

well if whoever we bring in succeeds, I'm pretty sure ONE echo will be far less destabilizing than 13 or 14, and if we fail, what difference will it make? ♪

Why would we make it harder on ourselves? One more character here is one more to send back within the limit.

I think is better to concentrate on getting the remaining echoes and refictionalizing characters. I don't see the need for bringing another character and I honestly don't know how it could help us. Seeing as getting the echoes is the only drawback to fixing the wall, that's what I think we should be doing.
Also, how do you suggest we bring this character here? I'm pretty sure Mr. A won't agree with the idea, even if he says it's possible to do it.

It's another one, plus the characters already present.
I'm all for defictioalizing the characters already here so we can stabilize the wall without concerns for the end of the world without having to pump out 13 refics in 20 days. But bringing MORE people here? Awful idea, unless we can extend that deadline.

No Just No.

Even if meta-wise it could work, which it shouldn't, this is the worst idea I have ever heard. Everything's hitting the fan now as it is; we don't need one more source of echoes to hunt down, one more character to sweet-talk into leaving, one more refic to write, one more fictional to keep track of.

Sorry if this sounds curt; I just got back, won't really BE back until hours or days from now, and I really don't want the situation to get worse than it already has when I was gone.

ah well :/

if you all are that convinced that nothing good can come from this, I won't press the issue. ♪

Mr. A said whatever character we bring here would have to overcome the guardians, but unless we manage to find all of these echoes in the time limit these guardians are going to have a lot more to worry about than whoever we bring in.

But as I said, I won't promote this idea any longer unless we start getting desperate, one working bad idea is better than no working good ideas in my opinion ♪

Thank you for the input Patchy. Regardless of what the previous posters have said, you shouldn't walk away from this feeling discouraged to post new ideas. It is an interesting thought, though as all the others have said, it does present us with a lot of new problems, without giving us much of an advantage.

But thank you for posting anyway. It's always a good thing to get a new perspective. This idea may not have been a good one, but please feel free to keep following and participating and suggesting new ideas. Surely one of them is bound to stick.

Wacky is right. I find myself saying that a lot lately. xD
So stick around, even if we don't see ourselves going through with that idea we can still use all the help we can get!

I wasn't the least bit discouraged, was I supposed to be? :S

however I DO believe I shouldn't constantly advocate this idea until we become desperate (or, more desperate than we are right now ♪). I support this idea because if we fail it wouldn't matter who we bring in to help us, however if anything that should be a last resort (if even that). :/ Like everyone previously said, there HAS to be a better alternative than what we're strictly prohibited from doing. ♪

If anyone has alternatives, I'm all ears

No, you were not supposed to feel discouraged! But it has happened with other people, so it's good to know you'll stay with us.

As to this idea, I would personally side with it. Plenty of reasons for that but bottom line of my reasoning: It would be fun to have more characters with different personalities and events to interact with.

But, as a game plan, that won't work, sadly. Say we pull King Arthur (The FATE version, maybe? =P). He'd need at least a few weeks to get up to speed in this world. If we decide to enact this at all, even doing it today does not give the character we pull a reasonable amount of time to actually be of use to us. And it still brings the whole problem of having another character to send back within our deadline.

I suppose :/

so to anybody willing to throw their hat in the ring, do you think it's possible to have a few of the characters refic other characters or even THEMSELVES? My main target behind this is Quixote, seeing how that man has been able to do the impossible lately. ♪

Patchy♪ wrote:I suppose :/

so to anybody willing to throw their hat in the ring, do you think it's possible to have a few of the characters refic other characters or even THEMSELVES? My main target behind this is Quixote, seeing how that man has been able to do the impossible lately. ♪

We did try, but the character' cannot see any stories involving them, even ones they wrote. Furthermore, it seems the chances of a fic written by a character about themselves would not be suitable anyway, because it is essentially a self-insert. Characters writing fics for other characters would be theoretically possible, however they would still have to have a certain level of writing skill, so some are out.

Anyway, it is unlikely to happen from a meta POV, so...

Not possible for one to refic himself. Here's the evidence.

Now, about one character refictionalizing another it's something I'm not sure was suggested... Something to look into, perhaps. xD
Ninja'd. Again. xD Sicon's meta is accurate, of course, we can look into it, but it's unlikely to be possible.

yeah, I kinda forgot about characters not being able to look into their own stories :S I'll have to ask mr. A if it's possible for other characters to do it ♪

Pixelmage wrote:Now, about one character refictionalizing another it's something I'm not sure was suggested... Something to look into, perhaps. xD

I'm pretty sure it was. I don't want to dig for the source, but Mr. A refused.

Well, it looks like the Cat's hinting at this being a serious possibility... or at bigger threats overwhelming the Metaguards and crossing through. But he's speaking in the plural, so I don't know if it's the same old "Cthulhu's coming!!!" or something more serious.

Perhaps if we miss the deadline, we'll have to fight an end boss.

Dryunya wrote:Perhaps if we miss the deadline, we'll have to fight an end boss.

Actually, now that I think of it, a Tram-written showdown of ALL FIVE FICTIONAL METAGUARDS COMBINED Punching Out Cthulhu would be EPIC.

Tiny bit tempted to deliberately miss the deadline just for this to happen. But not tempted enough.

The 21st deadline could, perhaps, not be the ARG's Endgame Date.
If so, we're heading to a massive event, true, but not as an ultimate end to all. Refictionalizing all the characters by that date would just be a big deal to free us to focus exclusively on stopping "Cthulhu", for instance, or a second bout of crossers.

as we've established, it IS a possibility ♪

but, something is making me curious. :/ let's say Cthulhu IS the end-boss, surely with all his/it's power it wouldn't need to wait until the deadline. The wall's already critically unstable, the best chance would be to come through NOW while we still have our hands full. Something just doesn't seem right about what's going on. I'll talk to the cat later and see if I can find anything. ♪

Now assuming this IS the case, and something big is coming, I would again suggest defictionalizing something that would help us. But I recommend we wait first until we get a clearer picture of what's going to happen, shooting in the dark is never a good idea. :/